Re: Any user testing of WCAG 2.1 at CSUN

​Alan wrote:

> The How:

I had not thought about the how. I figured it was something that should
have been planned by WCAG.
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The big problem. Planning for CSUN starts (started) at least 6 months ago,
and even as a W3C Working Group we started planning for our Face-to-Face
meetings at CSUN back before Christmas. Finding a location to do this kind
of user-testing is a bit of a logistics problem, as often spaces in advance
of, or post-CSUN are hard to come by, and during the event CSUN tends to
take over much if not all of the available space. Setting up a "testing
lab" at this short juncture would likely fail, even though it is a good
idea.

As you noted, there will likely be a number of presentations at CSUN
focused on the new SC in WCAG 2.1, and we can still have hallway chats and
other social activities to discuss them with end-users in attendance. It
would have been a great idea, but we should have started planning for it in
October...

JF

On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 7:59 AM, ALAN SMITH <alands289@gmail.com> wrote:

> Alastair,
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> I appreciate your reply.
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> The What:
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> I thought: CSUN is a captive audience and this would be a great way to
> have WCAG get out into the real world with real users and in person present
> what is planned and find out if it will actually work for real users with
> diabilities.
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> The How:
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> I had not thought about the howt. I figured it was something that should
> have been planned by WCAG.
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> After I sent this query originally to another email list, I did find  that
> David MacDonald is doing something like this with a presentation on
> Wednesday at 9:00 am.
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> Best.
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> Alan Smith
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> *From: *Alastair Campbell <acampbell@nomensa.com>
> *Sent: *Thursday, February 22, 2018 8:17 AM
> *To: *ALAN SMITH <alands289@gmail.com>; WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
> *Subject: *Re: Any user testing of WCAG 2.1 at CSUN
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> Hi Alan,
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> >  is there any effort to have actual users with disabilities who may be
> attending CSUN queried on whether the new SCs in WCAG 2.1 will in fact meet
> the needs of those they are intended for?
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> I suspect that no site will ‘meet the needs’ of everyone, it would be a
> case of how much does it improve the access & experience for people with
> particular needs.
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> Therefore there are two possible approaches to this question:
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>    1. Research into what change the success criteria have made to
>    websites, and what difference that makes to people (difficult before sites
>    start updating to meet them).
>    2. Demos of what impact the changes based on meeting the success
>    criteria have.
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> The second approach (demos) is a lot easier to do, in revising our site I
> could probably provide examples for reflow & content-on-hover because those
> were two new issues that we are changing the site in order to meet the new
> SC.
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> If you mean are we trying to do the research approach, that’s a lot of
> prep to find particular sites with issues affected by 2.1-only criteria… it
> would be easier after sites start trying to meet it.
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> -Alastair
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