Re: side conversation on 386, 659, and 660, 669, and 688 on Character Key Shortcuts

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On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 4:40 PM, David MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca>
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> I'm fine either way, I don't want to lose the SC over it.
>
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> On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 4:19 PM, Michael Gower <michael.gower@ca.ibm.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I prefer my suggestions to resolve, but I can live with your response
>> rather than risk harpooning the SC.
>> +1
>> Michael Gower
>> IBM Accessibility
>> Research
>>
>> 1803 Douglas Street, Victoria, BC
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>>
>>
>> From:        Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com>
>> To:        Michael Gower <michael.gower@ca.ibm.com>
>> Cc:        James Nurthen <james.nurthen@oracle.com>, WCAG <
>> w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
>> Date:        2018-01-17 12:46 PM
>> Subject:        Re: side conversation on 386, 659, and 660, 669, and 688
>> on Character     Key Shortcuts
>> ------------------------------
>>
>>
>> The issue from multiple commenters was the definition (which was for
>> “character key”).
>>
>>
>>
>> The definition was: “single printable Unicode code point, any keyboard
>> character that is printable, i.e. letters of the alphabet including
>> capitals, punctuation, numbers, and symbols. Note that the Space and Enter
>> keys, which return empty spaces rather than characters, are not character
>> keys”.
>>
>>
>>
>> Commenters said that we are trying to redefine a commonly used term in
>> order to exclude printable keys like space.  So, I tried to play with the
>> definition and the SC just kept getting longer and longer, until  I removed
>> the definition and just used what the SC was requiring before:
>>
>>
>>
>> In the second half, we were using “non-character key” and interpreting
>> that as the opposite of character key, and that was expanded out also.
>> Since space and enter were excluded from being character keys, they are
>> “non-character keys”.
>>
>>
>>
>> It is true that a keyboard shortcut “b” could be replaced by “enter” in
>> the final exception, but I don’t think that is too likely to happen. The
>> only people who are going to use enter (and probably space) are going to be
>> very aware of what they are doing, and like James indicates are going to
>> need to be in the clear to do so.
>>
>>
>>
>> The current last exception reads:
>>
>> A mechanism is available to remap the shortcut to use one or more
>> non-printable keyboard characters (e.g. Ctrl, Alt, Shift, etc.) or the
>> Space or Enter keys.
>>
>>
>>
>> I’m happy to remove “shift” and maybe can clarify the final exception.
>>
>>
>>
>> A mechanism is available to remap the shortcut to use one or more* of
>> either *non-printable keyboard characters (e.g. Ctrl, Alt, etc.) or the
>> Space or Enter keys.
>>
>>
>>
>> Does any of this help?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> AWK
>>
>>
>>
>> Andrew Kirkpatrick
>>
>> Group Product Manager, Accessibility
>>
>> Adobe
>>
>>
>>
>> akirkpat@adobe.com
>>
>> http://twitter.com/awkawk
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Michael Gower <michael.gower@ca.ibm.com>
>> *Date: *Wednesday, January 17, 2018 at 15:07
>> *To: *Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com>
>> *Cc: *James Nurthen <james.nurthen@oracle.com>, WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
>> *Subject: *Re: side conversation on 386, 659, and 660, 669, and 688 on
>> Character Key Shortcuts
>>
>>
>>
>> Shift creates confusion. One can make a pretty good argument that an
>> author who is failing this with "b" can now do Shift+b and pass. But
>> Shift+b is equivalent to B, which we also don't want to allow as a
>> single-character shortcut. It just becomes a bit wierder with the new
>> language about "upper- and lower-case letters". I consider that a side
>> issue though, so let me focus on the larger consideration.
>>
>> Previously, this was the basic logic flow of this SC:
>>
>> 1.        using one or more character keys alone as a shortcut?
>> 1.        if yes, does it only work when component for which it is
>> intended has focus?
>> 1.        If yes, fine.
>> 2.        If no, also use a modifier, or turn it off.
>> 2.        If no, fine.
>>
>>
>> Now we have:
>>
>> 1.        Using *letter, punctuation, number or symbol characters*alone
>> as a shortcut?
>> 1.        if yes, does it only work when component for which it is
>> intended has focus?
>> 1.        If yes, fine.
>> 2.        If no, use a modifier, or turn it off, *or make the shortcut
>> be Enter or Spacebar*.
>> 2.        If no, fine.
>>
>>
>>
>> The other change is that "printable character" was previously defined:
>> > single printable Unicode code point, any keyboard character that is
>> printable, i.e. letters of the alphabet including capitals, punctuation,
>> numbers, and symbols
>> > Note that the Space and Enter keys, which return empty spaces rather
>> than characters, are not character keys.
>>
>> So  Space and Enter keys were previously explicitly *excluded * from
>> considerationin the definition*. *That was the only mention of them. If
>> you used Spacebar or Enter as a shortcut, the SC didn't apply.
>> The same exclusion happens now, since they are do not meet any of the
>> criteria in the list, but it isn't explicit. But now they are *also*
>> being called out as a new sanctioned way to overcome the problem. So now
>> the direction is: "in any cirucumstance, make the shortcut into Enter or
>> Spacebar and you pass!"
>>
>> I think that is problematic. If you want to have an explicit mention of
>> Spacebar and Enter, they should be at the end in a note as an exclusion,
>> not dumped into the second bullet. For instance, it could read "Note that
>> Space and Enter keys are not considered letter, punctuation, number or
>> symbol characters."
>>
>> Michael Gower
>> IBM Accessibility
>> Research
>>
>> 1803 Douglas Street, Victoria, BC
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>> gowerm@ca.ibm.com
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>>
>>
>> From:        Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com>
>> To:        Michael Gower <michael.gower@ca.ibm.com>
>> Cc:        James Nurthen <james.nurthen@oracle.com>, WCAG <
>> w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
>> Date:        2018-01-17 11:13 AM
>> Subject:        Re: side conversation on 386, 659, and 660, 669, and 688
>> on Character    Key Shortcuts
>> ------------------------------
>>
>>
>>
>> Why is adding “shift” bad? With the current language shift would
>> certainly count as a non-character key, so it would be ok for a mechanism
>> to allow a shortcut “b” to become “shift+b” – this would solve the core
>> issue that the single key shortcut created.  That said, I don’t mind
>> removing shift from being explicitly mentioned.
>>
>>
>>
>> James has indicated a concern about space that would necessitate leaving
>> it (and I should say that we have a product that currently uses space in a
>> combination shortcut) and enter is a concern as a developer who needs to
>> implement default form submission in a custom form would likely need to use
>> it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Can you explain what is different in the SC now as opposed to when we
>> referenced “character key” in the glossary and defined it as any printable
>> key, not counting space or enter?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> AWK
>>
>>
>>
>> Andrew Kirkpatrick
>>
>> Group Product Manager, Accessibility
>>
>> Adobe
>>
>>
>>
>> akirkpat@adobe.com
>>
>> *http://twitter.com/awkawk*
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>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Michael Gower <michael.gower@ca.ibm.com>
>> *Date: *Wednesday, January 17, 2018 at 13:59
>> *To: *Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com>
>> *Cc: *James Nurthen <james.nurthen@oracle.com>, WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
>> *Subject: *Re: side conversation on 386, 659, and 660, 669, and 688 on
>> Character Key Shortcuts
>>
>>
>>
>> I believe Kathy was the primary initiator of this SC, so I would
>> encourage her to be consulted. BTW, I also find the inclusion of "Shift" in
>> the wording now problematic, since arguably, a user could meet it with
>> SHIFT+letter. So I have removed it and the etc, and would recommend
>> including clarification about modifiers in the understanding document.
>>
>> To restate, I am requesting a change for the second Remap bullet, to
>> become:
>>
>> "A mechanism is available to remap the shortcut to include one or more
>> non-printable keyboard characters (e.g., Ctrl, Alt)"
>>
>> The current proposal reads like this:
>>
>>
>> If a *keyboard shortcut*
>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.proofpoint.com%2Fv2%2Furl%3Fu%3Dhttps-3A__na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttp-253A-252F-252Frawgit.com-252Fw3c-252Fwcag21-252Fcharacter-5Fchanges-252Fguidelines-252Findex.html-2523dfn-2Dkeyboard-2Dshortcuts-26data-3D02-257C01-257Cakirkpat-2540adobe.com-257C77c7c98cdeb04e9a082a08d55ddc7579-257Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1-257C0-257C0-257C636518123806038211-26sdata-3DVA-252BO7K5b61xxZ-252FD-252FQx13j7zIaZgQYN7LYRMEM9KmOhs-253D-26reserved-3D0%26d%3DDwMGaQ%26c%3Djf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg%26r%3D_9rqR3xSCWQUlv9VpOcJwkP7H0XWQXmxeMmqQl6Fikc%26m%3DO6H_hMJoxDiwKF0PCkV5NbE9jDfyj1DLAVOEQ9rt5gA%26s%3DsvVPmpTedFwF9BQMuOoYlF-hK_ZDfjziDfm4QhVW5qo%26e%3D&data=02%7C01%7Cakirkpat%40adobe.com%7C38266e9a39d54d22c88a08d55de5e653%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636518164356826211&sdata=ifSc0JdknOHJWtlchz3YjJ8l5fMgZ0oTJZ%2FlA7xSXwg%3D&reserved=0>is
>> implemented in content using only letter (including upper- and lower-case
>> letters), punctuation, number, or symbol characters, then at least one of
>> the following is true unless the keyboard shortcut for a *user interface
>> component*
>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.proofpoint.com%2Fv2%2Furl%3Fu%3Dhttps-3A__na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttp-253A-252F-252Frawgit.com-252Fw3c-252Fwcag21-252Fcharacter-5Fchanges-252Fguidelines-252Findex.html-2523dfn-2Duser-2Dinterface-2Dcomponents-26data-3D02-257C01-257Cakirkpat-2540adobe.com-257C77c7c98cdeb04e9a082a08d55ddc7579-257Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1-257C0-257C0-257C636518123806038211-26sdata-3DBqFD-252F-252BEv0fD4XeKDmiCfPBD8r2YTZZfEScipHah1miQ-253D-26reserved-3D0%26d%3DDwMGaQ%26c%3Djf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg%26r%3D_9rqR3xSCWQUlv9VpOcJwkP7H0XWQXmxeMmqQl6Fikc%26m%3DO6H_hMJoxDiwKF0PCkV5NbE9jDfyj1DLAVOEQ9rt5gA%26s%3DWxvNfhPwO9_-V29tKo4EE9M6I-zMI26Jmhvj6u0mWgk%26e%3D&data=02%7C01%7Cakirkpat%40adobe.com%7C38266e9a39d54d22c88a08d55de5e653%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636518164356826211&sdata=fJ57KrMd8dxyXJPC47L7XBDElgvdVNwkL5IRp7m%2FUBg%3D&reserved=0>is
>> only active when that component has focus:
>>
>> Turn off
>>
>> A *mechanism*
>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.proofpoint.com%2Fv2%2Furl%3Fu%3Dhttps-3A__na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttp-253A-252F-252Frawgit.com-252Fw3c-252Fwcag21-252Fcharacter-5Fchanges-252Fguidelines-252Findex.html-2523dfn-2Dmechanism-26data-3D02-257C01-257Cakirkpat-2540adobe.com-257C77c7c98cdeb04e9a082a08d55ddc7579-257Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1-257C0-257C0-257C636518123806038211-26sdata-3DNR4-252FYXd-252B-252BgkNr2Hqf6-252BLsK3T0ELoregWmP4YliBrII0-253D-26reserved-3D0%26d%3DDwMGaQ%26c%3Djf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg%26r%3D_9rqR3xSCWQUlv9VpOcJwkP7H0XWQXmxeMmqQl6Fikc%26m%3DO6H_hMJoxDiwKF0PCkV5NbE9jDfyj1DLAVOEQ9rt5gA%26s%3D6HqDoXgJ54YOhW2eq4tZGMwnliN4o6CX7-vhhgcd4VM%26e%3D&data=02%7C01%7Cakirkpat%40adobe.com%7C38266e9a39d54d22c88a08d55de5e653%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636518164356826211&sdata=4sMllZ786NGHf%2FJ%2Bux8P%2B%2BKZv71O12ltpAD%2FwyxCUX4%3D&reserved=0>is
>> available to turn the shortcut off;
>>
>> Remap
>>
>> A mechanism is available to remap the shortcut to use one or more
>> non-printable keyboard characters (e.g. Ctrl, Alt, Shift, etc.) or the
>> Space or Enter keys.
>>
>>
>>
>> Michael Gower
>> IBM Accessibility
>> Research
>>
>> 1803 Douglas Street, Victoria, BC
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>>  V8T 5C3
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>> gowerm@ca.ibm.com
>> voice: (250) 220-1146 * cel: (250) 661-0098 *  fax: (250) 220-8034
>>
>>
>>
>> From:        Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com>
>> To:        Michael Gower <michael.gower@ca.ibm.com>
>> Cc:        James Nurthen <james.nurthen@oracle.com>, WCAG <
>> w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
>> Date:        2018-01-17 10:20 AM
>> Subject:        side conversation on 386, 659, and 660, 669, and 688 on
>> Character   Key Shortcuts
>> ------------------------------
>>
>>
>>
>> Mike,
>>
>> Who needs to discuss it? We have about 4 hours.
>>
>>
>>
>> James, any thoughts?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> AWK
>>
>>
>>
>> Andrew Kirkpatrick
>>
>> Group Product Manager, Accessibility
>>
>> Adobe
>>
>>
>>
>> akirkpat@adobe.com
>>
>> *http://twitter.com/awkawk*
>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.proofpoint.com%2Fv2%2Furl%3Fu%3Dhttps-3A__na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttp-253A-252F-252Ftwitter.com-252Fawkawk-26data-3D02-257C01-257Cakirkpat-2540adobe.com-257C77c7c98cdeb04e9a082a08d55ddc7579-257Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1-257C0-257C0-257C636518123806038211-26sdata-3DyaemkQSwc66vdCZL7dIpqXsQOsEsRRLUNxFNVxt8t48-253D-26reserved-3D0%26d%3DDwMGaQ%26c%3Djf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg%26r%3D_9rqR3xSCWQUlv9VpOcJwkP7H0XWQXmxeMmqQl6Fikc%26m%3DO6H_hMJoxDiwKF0PCkV5NbE9jDfyj1DLAVOEQ9rt5gA%26s%3DgjGvb-ZsTMdlK-PNbF0lbs49Nvryzxkw0vU_TriPR2E%26e%3D&data=02%7C01%7Cakirkpat%40adobe.com%7C38266e9a39d54d22c88a08d55de5e653%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636518164356826211&sdata=8TC7%2FRaCJ0FhLSwK2icYQw%2ByTyAlRBzvMufYit61qIU%3D&reserved=0>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Michael Gower <michael.gower@ca.ibm.com>
>> *Date: *Wednesday, January 17, 2018 at 13:17
>> *To: *Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com>
>> *Cc: *James Nurthen <james.nurthen@oracle.com>, WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
>> *Subject: *Re: CFC - Response to issues 386, 659, and 660, 669, and 688
>> on Character Key Shortcuts
>>
>>
>>
>> -1
>> Andrew, I would really like to get some more folks looking at this,
>> because I do not read it that way. It seems far from clear, and could lead
>> to some unfortunate implementations.
>>
>> Michael Gower
>> IBM Accessibility
>> Research
>>
>> 1803 Douglas Street, Victoria, BC
>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1803+Douglas+Street,+Victoria,+BC+%C2%A0V8T+5C3&entry=gmail&source=g>
>>  V8T 5C3
>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1803+Douglas+Street,+Victoria,+BC+%C2%A0V8T+5C3&entry=gmail&source=g>
>> gowerm@ca.ibm.com
>> voice: (250) 220-1146 * cel: (250) 661-0098 *  fax: (250) 220-8034
>>
>>
>>
>> From:        Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com>
>> To:        Michael Gower <michael.gower@ca.ibm.com>, James Nurthen <
>> james.nurthen@oracle.com>
>> Cc:        WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
>> Date:        2018-01-15 01:11 PM
>> Subject:        Re: CFC - Response to issues 386, 659, and 660, 669, and
>> 688 on Character  Key Shortcuts
>> ------------------------------
>>
>>
>>
>> Mike,
>>
>> I don’t think that this is any different now.
>>
>>
>>
>> Originally, the SC said:
>>
>> If keyboard uses only character keys (doesn’t include space and enter)
>> then a mechanism  to turn off the shortcut must exist or they need to be
>> able to remap the shortcut to use at least one “non-character key” (keys
>> that don’t count as character keys, including space and enter).
>>
>>
>>
>> Now it says the same thing, I believe.
>>
>>
>>
>> Authors might include space and enter – e.g. a mail application might use
>> alt+enter to send a message, or space in a similar way. They are unlikely
>> to use space or enter entirely independently.
>>
>>
>>
>> Enter could be used to trigger a default button in a custom form, so that
>> one should probably stay. Space was mentioned by James Nurthen, but I’m not
>> sure what the use case is – it seems to be more applicable when a control
>> is focused.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> AWK
>>
>>
>>
>> Andrew Kirkpatrick
>>
>> Group Product Manager, Accessibility
>>
>> Adobe
>>
>>
>>
>> akirkpat@adobe.com
>>
>> *http://twitter.com/awkawk*
>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.proofpoint.com%2Fv2%2Furl%3Fu%3Dhttps-3A__na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttp-253A-252F-252Ftwitter.com-252Fawkawk-26data-3D02-257C01-257Cakirkpat-2540adobe.com-257C47440b8c4d4f4d38344f08d55dd68e9a-257Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1-257C0-257C0-257C636518098466995822-26sdata-3DLwi67pEpf2S45eMqpPYsOkYQoAXeSIp9AAYtBK8nvAk-253D-26reserved-3D0%26d%3DDwMGaQ%26c%3Djf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg%26r%3D_9rqR3xSCWQUlv9VpOcJwkP7H0XWQXmxeMmqQl6Fikc%26m%3DJsbTENWb-yT7QWe-UsS4MygjMKBwDuyXKvgQo8_VrmA%26s%3D4pywp-Twt9UWIoup6Poj1Szz5cgMklE78kZvjc44tzY%26e%3D&data=02%7C01%7Cakirkpat%40adobe.com%7C77c7c98cdeb04e9a082a08d55ddc7579%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636518123806038211&sdata=yzbq2My0dJPqJOto8x9xDEkRvmRBLlZnHoAeowYBAxk%3D&reserved=0>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Michael Gower <michael.gower@ca.ibm.com>
>> *Date: *Monday, January 15, 2018 at 14:56
>> *To: *Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com>
>> *Cc: *WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
>> *Subject: *Re: CFC - Response to issues 386, 659, and 660, 669, and 688
>> on Character Key Shortcuts
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm concerned with the rewording of Remap, both the addition of "or the
>> Space or Enter keys" and the wording "to use".
>> *https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/pull/732/files*
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>> It is now proposed to read:
>>
>> <dd>A mechanism is available to remap the shortcut to use one or more
>> non-printable keyboard characters (e.g. Ctrl, Alt, Shift, etc.) or the
>> Space or Enter keys.</dd>
>>
>> In the original wording, Space and Enter were excepted from counting as
>> character keys. That has now been altered to state that authors can use
>> Space and Enter to replace author-created shortcuts. However, Space and
>> Enter tend to be assigned by the user agent for specific activations. We
>> should not be encouraging their use for remapping purposes, especially
>> without the use of a modifier key. This will potentially lead to exactly
>> the same issues with Speech operation that the SC was attempting to
>> overcome.
>>
>> The concerns that were raised by the definition of character key seem to
>> have been addressed by replacing 'character keys' with the phrase "using
>> only letter (including upper- and lower-case letters), punctuation, number,
>> or symbol characters ", which does not include Space or Enter. So it
>> does not seem neccesary to later specify them in the remap definition. I
>> would advocate that "or the Space or Enter keys" be removed.
>>
>> As well, the rewording infers that *just*a modifier key can now be used.
>> I think this can be overcome by changing "use" to "include". The resulting
>> Remap's definition would read:
>>
>> A mechanism is available to remap the shortcut to include use one or
>> more non-printable keyboard characters (e.g. Ctrl, Alt, Shift, etc.).
>>
>>
>> Michael Gower
>> IBM Accessibility
>> Research
>>
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>>
>>
>> From:        Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com>
>> To:        WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
>> Date:        2018-01-14 11:30 PM
>> Subject:        CFC - Response to issues 386, 659, and 660, 669, and 688
>> on Character  Key Shortcuts
>> ------------------------------
>>
>>
>>
>> Call For Consensus — ends Wednesday January 17th at 2:30am Boston time.
>>
>>
>>
>> The Working Group has discussed responses to the following issues:
>>
>> 386: What do 'character key' and 'printable' mean? (
>> *https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/386*
>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.proofpoint.com%2Fv2%2Furl%3Fu%3Dhttps-3A__na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttps-253A-252F-252Fgithub.com-252Fw3c-252Fwcag21-252Fissues-252F386-26data-3D02-257C01-257Cakirkpat-2540adobe.com-257C23bfa30358854e50ffc808d55c52006d-257Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1-257C0-257C0-257C636516429627695916-26sdata-3DaWMX5cslqgiWnhgV8VQfe9c4SVZ8DtlJPbfVDC-252FVQQA-253D-26reserved-3D0%26d%3DDwMGaQ%26c%3Djf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg%26r%3Do0daxkHGHraHNw9i2iAgh1-u02Hps_TQhDkH1KZHuuQ%26m%3DSGu3s-aqIttQGHkoo_95d63cSn2_9Fuaa3f3zxbd7eQ%26s%3D_24xymbAjAZG-7VddwHvztSX9AHq7GPaQW_v8DwpPqE%26e%3D&data=02%7C01%7Cakirkpat%40adobe.com%7C47440b8c4d4f4d38344f08d55dd68e9a%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636518098466995822&sdata=hkTsE78vqs42sdp%2BKjV8cP3INKuikhlgBZXHKqdSNxg%3D&reserved=0>
>> )
>>
>> 659: Ambiguous definition (*https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/659*
>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.proofpoint.com%2Fv2%2Furl%3Fu%3Dhttps-3A__na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttps-253A-252F-252Fgithub.com-252Fw3c-252Fwcag21-252Fissues-252F659-26data-3D02-257C01-257Cakirkpat-2540adobe.com-257C23bfa30358854e50ffc808d55c52006d-257Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1-257C0-257C0-257C636516429627695916-26sdata-3DcgtGJx5KW7QVoGK3UNmD991YqsPQTrrAosEcirzy2nA-253D-26reserved-3D0%26d%3DDwMGaQ%26c%3Djf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg%26r%3Do0daxkHGHraHNw9i2iAgh1-u02Hps_TQhDkH1KZHuuQ%26m%3DSGu3s-aqIttQGHkoo_95d63cSn2_9Fuaa3f3zxbd7eQ%26s%3D8qRAYkC0f9W0ePZGPXK37ZJcd-apPbCdd4jxfAdr0Qk%26e%3D&data=02%7C01%7Cakirkpat%40adobe.com%7C47440b8c4d4f4d38344f08d55dd68e9a%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636518098466995822&sdata=DAFTFPL4hMSyw5aE9PmpAdQ6psjy40wZuunc%2F35ndoQ%3D&reserved=0>
>> )
>>
>> 660: Characters (*https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/660*
>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.proofpoint.com%2Fv2%2Furl%3Fu%3Dhttps-3A__na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttps-253A-252F-252Fgithub.com-252Fw3c-252Fwcag21-252Fissues-252F660-26data-3D02-257C01-257Cakirkpat-2540adobe.com-257C23bfa30358854e50ffc808d55c52006d-257Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1-257C0-257C0-257C636516429627695916-26sdata-3DFtCf11V-252Bg-252FkuzkMmBFPqJedKmb5F68UJqlCozGs-252Fgfc-253D-26reserved-3D0%26d%3DDwMGaQ%26c%3Djf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg%26r%3Do0daxkHGHraHNw9i2iAgh1-u02Hps_TQhDkH1KZHuuQ%26m%3DSGu3s-aqIttQGHkoo_95d63cSn2_9Fuaa3f3zxbd7eQ%26s%3D3ndtmgnT3yxywt6yhGM0mIFBxnTQpEoZOFv61VWnfhA%26e%3D&data=02%7C01%7Cakirkpat%40adobe.com%7C47440b8c4d4f4d38344f08d55dd68e9a%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636518098466995822&sdata=gelZxVANVEIC2rb55mJzwPRztlaHEwf7LmfYZuIYTIM%3D&reserved=0>
>> )
>>
>> 669: SC 2.4.11 Character Key Shortcuts - Proposal for change of wording (
>> *https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/669*
>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.proofpoint.com%2Fv2%2Furl%3Fu%3Dhttps-3A__na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttps-253A-252F-252Fgithub.com-252Fw3c-252Fwcag21-252Fissues-252F669-26data-3D02-257C01-257Cakirkpat-2540adobe.com-257C23bfa30358854e50ffc808d55c52006d-257Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1-257C0-257C0-257C636516429627695916-26sdata-3Dqgu8Wt-252FNcNTvJjIpmwVjqZskSFBzqG160ByrtZc70PY-253D-26reserved-3D0%26d%3DDwMGaQ%26c%3Djf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg%26r%3Do0daxkHGHraHNw9i2iAgh1-u02Hps_TQhDkH1KZHuuQ%26m%3DSGu3s-aqIttQGHkoo_95d63cSn2_9Fuaa3f3zxbd7eQ%26s%3DLGVAoY5DHMj862f4OYthW_JGv2kbpKMrocS-bpljFnw%26e%3D&data=02%7C01%7Cakirkpat%40adobe.com%7C47440b8c4d4f4d38344f08d55dd68e9a%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636518098466995822&sdata=c%2FeXMtKb6QOaJQ97NIR2TPKShBw80%2FjstXhw0fUoCoU%3D&reserved=0>
>> )
>>
>> 688: Comment on 2.4.11 (*https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/688*
>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.proofpoint.com%2Fv2%2Furl%3Fu%3Dhttps-3A__na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttps-253A-252F-252Fgithub.com-252Fw3c-252Fwcag21-252Fissues-252F688-26data-3D02-257C01-257Cakirkpat-2540adobe.com-257C23bfa30358854e50ffc808d55c52006d-257Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1-257C0-257C0-257C636516429627695916-26sdata-3DQ-252Bcfw7bxxKzVB9-252BPZpcRCv6styCM87do4u8JmBUV1fk-253D-26reserved-3D0%26d%3DDwMGaQ%26c%3Djf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg%26r%3Do0daxkHGHraHNw9i2iAgh1-u02Hps_TQhDkH1KZHuuQ%26m%3DSGu3s-aqIttQGHkoo_95d63cSn2_9Fuaa3f3zxbd7eQ%26s%3D_s4n7lOstY5X3xaCNioUAAFQz6TYgLvEdclC23TEMcc%26e%3D&data=02%7C01%7Cakirkpat%40adobe.com%7C47440b8c4d4f4d38344f08d55dd68e9a%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636518098466995822&sdata=N1ja%2BglRyRHeygwb5M1bJLaHm1uI1XmMgdeLReTC%2Frg%3D&reserved=0>
>> )
>>
>>
>>
>> Response to Issue 386:
>> *https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Draft_Responses_to_Dec_WD_Issues#386*
>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.proofpoint.com%2Fv2%2Furl%3Fu%3Dhttps-3A__na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttps-253A-252F-252Fwww.w3.org-252FWAI-252FGL-252Fwiki-252FDraft-5FResponses-5Fto-5FDec-5FWD-5FIssues-2523386-26data-3D02-257C01-257Cakirkpat-2540adobe.com-257C23bfa30358854e50ffc808d55c52006d-257Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1-257C0-257C0-257C636516429627695916-26sdata-3DWIINb7Z9ulgSmH6XDteCobZwQF3DS83T4t30gGMJEF4-253D-26reserved-3D0%26d%3DDwMGaQ%26c%3Djf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg%26r%3Do0daxkHGHraHNw9i2iAgh1-u02Hps_TQhDkH1KZHuuQ%26m%3DSGu3s-aqIttQGHkoo_95d63cSn2_9Fuaa3f3zxbd7eQ%26s%3DYp5DvZbuHjpti33z6TC68BxaFwOWuQ8e9LPx5B5gHxE%26e%3D&data=02%7C01%7Cakirkpat%40adobe.com%7C47440b8c4d4f4d38344f08d55dd68e9a%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636518098466995822&sdata=Im%2BEgL2fHT28V7Ad0Zu%2F9EdFYmSuiSywKPEK1BXlY4E%3D&reserved=0>
>>
>> Response to Issue 659:
>> *https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Draft_Responses_to_Dec_WD_Issues#659*
>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.proofpoint.com%2Fv2%2Furl%3Fu%3Dhttps-3A__na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttps-253A-252F-252Fwww.w3.org-252FWAI-252FGL-252Fwiki-252FDraft-5FResponses-5Fto-5FDec-5FWD-5FIssues-2523659-26data-3D02-257C01-257Cakirkpat-2540adobe.com-257C23bfa30358854e50ffc808d55c52006d-257Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1-257C0-257C0-257C636516429627695916-26sdata-3DcLrt1xjgGyyAFWqKWXGXoOq7pzlYtoaBKYEgbqWT1mc-253D-26reserved-3D0%26d%3DDwMGaQ%26c%3Djf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg%26r%3Do0daxkHGHraHNw9i2iAgh1-u02Hps_TQhDkH1KZHuuQ%26m%3DSGu3s-aqIttQGHkoo_95d63cSn2_9Fuaa3f3zxbd7eQ%26s%3De1EJtazdPG_0xBQ1uTURwEVc3M39AOiS3R3gJz_9Mh8%26e%3D&data=02%7C01%7Cakirkpat%40adobe.com%7C47440b8c4d4f4d38344f08d55dd68e9a%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636518098466995822&sdata=hR%2BwIMElBs%2FPQw6XLuqocyUNNScZeY86kccLqdDaNFo%3D&reserved=0>
>>
>> Response to Issue 660:
>> *https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Draft_Responses_to_Dec_WD_Issues#660*
>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.proofpoint.com%2Fv2%2Furl%3Fu%3Dhttps-3A__na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttps-253A-252F-252Fwww.w3.org-252FWAI-252FGL-252Fwiki-252FDraft-5FResponses-5Fto-5FDec-5FWD-5FIssues-2523660-26data-3D02-257C01-257Cakirkpat-2540adobe.com-257C23bfa30358854e50ffc808d55c52006d-257Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1-257C0-257C0-257C636516429627695916-26sdata-3DEOsc8fzyeTxa-252FOILeN-252Bg0SSE-252BzPu-252BFmlgpdQRzu4xaA-253D-26reserved-3D0%26d%3DDwMGaQ%26c%3Djf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg%26r%3Do0daxkHGHraHNw9i2iAgh1-u02Hps_TQhDkH1KZHuuQ%26m%3DSGu3s-aqIttQGHkoo_95d63cSn2_9Fuaa3f3zxbd7eQ%26s%3DDV5T8_Yj6bZTA0Q7mw947kDsj6vkvTbUiaS8VrqS2M0%26e%3D&data=02%7C01%7Cakirkpat%40adobe.com%7C47440b8c4d4f4d38344f08d55dd68e9a%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636518098466995822&sdata=yOpsKvZqbL34YrmquDMk8DjSwqI7vrf30ws3L5JJvIg%3D&reserved=0>
>>
>> Response to Issue 669:
>> *https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Draft_Responses_to_Dec_WD_Issues#669*
>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.proofpoint.com%2Fv2%2Furl%3Fu%3Dhttps-3A__na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttps-253A-252F-252Fwww.w3.org-252FWAI-252FGL-252Fwiki-252FDraft-5FResponses-5Fto-5FDec-5FWD-5FIssues-2523669-26data-3D02-257C01-257Cakirkpat-2540adobe.com-257C23bfa30358854e50ffc808d55c52006d-257Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1-257C0-257C0-257C636516429627695916-26sdata-3Dt0kNd-252FkYN8B6zSrEt5C-252BuiGcHbX21imHCb5L0Nuf2fQ-253D-26reserved-3D0%26d%3DDwMGaQ%26c%3Djf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg%26r%3Do0daxkHGHraHNw9i2iAgh1-u02Hps_TQhDkH1KZHuuQ%26m%3DSGu3s-aqIttQGHkoo_95d63cSn2_9Fuaa3f3zxbd7eQ%26s%3DuY4keLEoardgCTiQck_HFD3-vE1wLxYiq7FRtM2RfW8%26e%3D&data=02%7C01%7Cakirkpat%40adobe.com%7C47440b8c4d4f4d38344f08d55dd68e9a%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636518098466995822&sdata=N2egWmxZ7GfIAnuYzRoLgXZiKyYMgX9XwbrVJTK3OhI%3D&reserved=0>
>>
>> Response to Issue 688:
>> *https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Draft_Responses_to_Dec_WD_Issues#688*
>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.proofpoint.com%2Fv2%2Furl%3Fu%3Dhttps-3A__na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttps-253A-252F-252Fwww.w3.org-252FWAI-252FGL-252Fwiki-252FDraft-5FResponses-5Fto-5FDec-5FWD-5FIssues-2523688-26data-3D02-257C01-257Cakirkpat-2540adobe.com-257C23bfa30358854e50ffc808d55c52006d-257Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1-257C0-257C0-257C636516429627695916-26sdata-3DdrsT1i2HttaeNLQrmjPQOGEcVNvmapxyqfWm7176uNc-253D-26reserved-3D0%26d%3DDwMGaQ%26c%3Djf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg%26r%3Do0daxkHGHraHNw9i2iAgh1-u02Hps_TQhDkH1KZHuuQ%26m%3DSGu3s-aqIttQGHkoo_95d63cSn2_9Fuaa3f3zxbd7eQ%26s%3DYnw1iwVEzqEGrEctcD9ANaRDyIrs0o6cgqcdhKyQNQA%26e%3D&data=02%7C01%7Cakirkpat%40adobe.com%7C47440b8c4d4f4d38344f08d55dd68e9a%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636518098466995822&sdata=cCwgvjPYbHiNWzz8j7b6Bb2sGayMbTfVF5f8Ki9BOuQ%3D&reserved=0>
>>
>>
>>
>> The changes to the SC are implemented in this pull request:
>> *https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/pull/732*
>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.proofpoint.com%2Fv2%2Furl%3Fu%3Dhttps-3A__na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttps-253A-252F-252Fgithub.com-252Fw3c-252Fwcag21-252Fpull-252F732-26data-3D02-257C01-257Cakirkpat-2540adobe.com-257C23bfa30358854e50ffc808d55c52006d-257Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1-257C0-257C0-257C636516429627695916-26sdata-3DTm1IP0ekF4Ern8TzFeE3TWUih2A8WvAJRuVz6gvcHA0-253D-26reserved-3D0%26d%3DDwMGaQ%26c%3Djf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg%26r%3Do0daxkHGHraHNw9i2iAgh1-u02Hps_TQhDkH1KZHuuQ%26m%3DSGu3s-aqIttQGHkoo_95d63cSn2_9Fuaa3f3zxbd7eQ%26s%3DbHsE56Gj7DN62XCKuMMXxxmimQ--tDHCMTamt9cvi68%26e%3D&data=02%7C01%7Cakirkpat%40adobe.com%7C47440b8c4d4f4d38344f08d55dd68e9a%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636518098466995822&sdata=ePyaTrFugdV8bWV8W%2F80MziwzV%2BYo4VYbujarUafRew%3D&reserved=0>
>>
>> The changed SC can be viewed here:
>> *http://rawgit.com/w3c/wcag21/character_changes/guidelines/index.html#character-key-shortcuts*
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>> Andrew Kirkpatrick
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>> Group Product Manager, Accessibility
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>> Adobe
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Received on Wednesday, 17 January 2018 22:00:13 UTC