Re[2]: Finding agreement on common purpose

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From: "Léonie Watson" <tink@tink.uk>
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>Is the intent of this SC for authors to use one (or more) of the HTML 
>tokens exactly as defined, or for authors to use any token that maps to 
>one of the tokens defined in HTML?

Thanks Leonie - My understanding is that the intent is (for now) authors 
to use the HTML tokens that come from the autofill values that can 
effectively map to a 'common purpose'.

There have been many conversations about 'rolling your own' schema etc 
but for now to get the ball rolling we want to leverage/reference the 
HTML 5.2 autofill values to help developers portray the intent or 
purpose of their widgets.

HTH

Josh


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>On 15/01/2018 17:50, Andrew Kirkpatrick wrote:
>>What I’m hearing is that we are in general agreement that:
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>>  * The HTML 5.2 autofill values for the common input purposes are ok
>>    and we will not include the purposes that are not input-related
>>  * The list can’t change over time
>>  * The purposes need to relate to the user directly, not inputs 
>>related
>>    to someone else
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>>Other points that we don’t have general agreement on:
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>>  * Limit this to markup
>>  * Limit this to HTML
>>  * Put the list into WCAG 2.1 vs referencing the list in a
>>    date-specific HTML version (e.g. 5.2)
>>  * Include the “for the user” aspect in the SC text vs the list
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>>My best attempt on this this that I like is:
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>>In content implemented using technologies with support for identifying 
>>the expected meaning for form input data, for each user-specific input 
>>field that has a purpose that maps to any of the [link]HTML 5.2 
>>Autofill field names,  the meaning of the input field can be 
>>programmatically determined.
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>>The reasons I like this relate to the items that we don’t have general 
>>agreement on:
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>>1. Not limited to any technology, as technologies like PDF and mobile
>>    frameworks and software evolve this can still be applied.
>>2. Same as #1 above
>>3. If we put it into our spec, we are adding to our localization
>>    burden, understanding burden, editorial burden, and will deal with
>>    the “add this to WCAG’s list” questions. Referencing the external
>>    list, stable and date-bound, makes sense to me. External standards
>>    (read EN 301 549) that incorporate WCAG 2.1 SC won’t need to worry
>>    about also adding the list because it is referenced.
>>4. “the user” is part of the SC and it is not going to get lost as 
>>part
>>    of a separate list. And, since I’m linking to the external list, we
>>    need to add it.
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>>Thanks,
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>>AWK
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>>Andrew Kirkpatrick
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>>Group Product Manager, Accessibility
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>>Adobe
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>>akirkpat@adobe.com
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>>http://twitter.com/awkawk
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>>*From: *David MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca>
>>*Date: *Monday, January 15, 2018 at 12:25
>>*To: *Alastair Campbell <acampbell@nomensa.com>
>>*Cc: *CAE-Vanderhe <gregg@raisingthefloor.org>, "Abma, J.D. (Jake)" 
>><Jake.Abma@ing.nl>, Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com>, 
>>"lisa.seeman@zoho.com" <lisa.seeman@zoho.com>, WCAG 
>><w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>, Amihai Miron <amihai@user1st.com>
>>*Subject: *Re: Dealy in "Common Purposes"
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>>Hi Alastair
>>
>> > With it focusing on HTML’s autofill attributes, there has been 
>>widespread browser support for years
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>>Yes absolutely... further in
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>>​my
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>>  email I suggested that we consider limiting the SC to HTML.
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>>​With each of Gregg's questions the only clear answer I was able to 
>>come up with was HTML autofill.​ However, Léonie is making a good case 
>>against referencing HTML directly and sticking with our list in the 
>>spec... I think Lisa would rather also prefer our list instead of 
>>referencing HMTL 5.2 ... so ...
>>
>>Lisa
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>>I would like to see a more robust answer to Gregg's questions other 
>>than implementations are in place and coming... so far I haven't seen 
>>an explanation of how this will work, and the implementations I've 
>>seen seem to be general personalization widgets rather than an 
>>implementation of a set of form fields with a mapping functionality 
>>back to our common purposes...
>>
>>Here are Gregg's questions:
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>>=====
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>>  how are different languages and different taxonomies being handled?
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>>how does the AT find the mapping of new terms back to the definitions 
>>in WCAG?
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>>·how does AT know the format of the map?
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>>·it is machine readable?
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>>·how does the AT find that map?
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>>=====
>>
>>Are you saying
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>>schema
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>>​,​
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>>microdata
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>>​,​
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>>  COGA attributes will all map back to our numbered list
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>>​ in these mapping documents that sit in the AT? If there are 
>>currently no implementations of this, is it reasonable to at least 
>>provide a step by step description of how it will work once 
>>implemented.
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>>Cheers,
>>David MacDonald
>>
>>*Can**Adapt**Solutions Inc.*
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>>On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 4:41 AM, Alastair Campbell 
>><acampbell@nomensa.com <mailto:acampbell@nomensa.com>> wrote:
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>>    *> *I share Gregg's concerns about the speculative nature of an SC
>>    that has no existing AT to make use of it
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>>    Huh? With it focusing on HTML’s autofill attributes, there has been
>>    widespread browser support for years:
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>>https://caniuse.com/#search=autofil
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>>    Lisa also posted about a couple user-agent side implementations of
>>    the meta-data aspects, and 5 sites that are or will be using the
>>    more extended set now.
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>>    Microdata is also standardised, but we seem to have dropped the
>>    non-autofil purposes, so I’ll stop there.
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>>    -Alastair
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