- From: John Foliot <john.foliot@deque.com>
- Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2017 14:47:38 -0600
- To: Wayne Dick <wayneedick@gmail.com>
- Cc: Jonathan Avila <jon.avila@ssbbartgroup.com>, WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <CAKdCpxyfXj0A8drXGoxMY1ACUE-2NnioAWhLpdb2jwSA9FjQ+Q@mail.gmail.com>
Hi Wayne, I don't think it's creative technologists that we need to be wary of, but rather creative NON technologists - people who create web content with no formal training or understanding of the diverse needs of multiple user-groups. It has been my observation and experience that creative technologists, when given a clear user-requirement statement, can then go off and work on potential solutions, using both their creativity and technology skills. For some of the emergent SC that we are looking at today, I think this will very-much be the case: we have well articulated User Requirements, but the other pieces - the techniques and examples - those are still missing or immature. Widely circulating those user Requirements, even if/when incomplete will possibly surface solutions we've not yet thought of: this group is very much focused on "Trees", and we may be missing the larger "Forest". JF On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 11:44 AM, Wayne Dick <wayneedick@gmail.com> wrote: > I think the question to ask is this. > > Can we prove there is no way to mess something a given feature up, be it > contrast, or whatever. It is impossible to find failures globally, but if > it can happen it will eventually happen on the web. > > Unless we can write a theorem that shows a failure is beyond the reach of > existing technologies (and that is possible for many things), then creative > technologists will find a way to create a failure. They won't do it to be > malicious. They will just innocently exploit a quirk to achieve an effect, > and kill accessibility. > > By including SCs we mark such quirky coding as something to do with care. > > Wayne > > > On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 9:14 AM, Jonathan Avila <jon.avila@ssbbartgroup.com > > wrote: > >> David, I have not failed videos with insufficient contrast. However, >> that situation and open captions with poor contrast are something I would >> point out as advisory or best practice. >> >> >> >> Jonathan >> >> >> >> *From:* David MacDonald [mailto:david100@sympatico.ca] >> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 07, 2017 6:50 AM >> *To:* Glenda Sims; Gregg C Vanderheiden; Jonathan Avila >> *Cc:* Aparna Pasi; WCAG >> *Subject:* Re: does anyone currently fail colour contrast for text in >> timed media >> >> >> >> Thanks Glenda >> >> >> >> Hey Gregg, I'll loop you in. >> >> >> >> Yes, I agree audio description (or transcript) should reflect important >> visual information including text, but I'm thinking about 1.4.3 Colour >> contrast of text in movies ... In this case it's yellow text on the >> whiteboard in an animated movie. >> >> >> >> Here's my take. >> >> >> >> 1.4.3 applies to "images of text" which have been "rendered in a non-text >> form *in order to achieve a particular effect* ..." >> >> >> >> So the glossary is assigning an intention to the creation of the text. >> The author put it in an image because she wanted it in a special font, or a >> special position in relation to a background which might have been hard to >> do with CSS etc... This is not the case for a movie. Authors rarely make >> movies with the intention of achieving a particular text effect. >> >> >> >> I haven't been watching movies looking for colour contrast failures of >> significant text. I was wondering if any others (Glenda, Jon, John, Gregg, >> etc.) would agree. >> >> >> Cheers, >> David MacDonald >> >> >> >> *Can**Adapt* *Solutions Inc.* >> >> Tel: 613.235.4902 <(613)%20235-4902> >> >> LinkedIn >> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidmacdonald100> >> >> twitter.com/davidmacd >> >> GitHub <https://github.com/DavidMacDonald> >> >> www.Can-Adapt.com <http://www.can-adapt.com/> >> >> >> >> * Adapting the web to all users* >> >> * Including those with disabilities* >> >> >> >> If you are not the intended recipient, please review our privacy policy >> <http://www.davidmacd.com/disclaimer.html> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 11:50 PM, Glenda Sims <glenda.sims@deque.com> >> wrote: >> >> Hey David, >> >> >> >> Looking at the glossary term for "image of text" leads me to believe that >> I'd need to watch the video to know for sure. If the text on the >> blackboard is significant and there is not audio reference to it....then, I >> think I would fail it under 1.2.5 Audio Description (Prerecorded) >> >> *image of text* >> >> text that has been rendered in a non-text form (e.g., an image) in order >> to achieve a particular visual effect >> >> *Note: *This does not include text >> <http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/REC-WCAG20-20081211/#textdef> that is part of >> a picture that contains significant other visual content. >> >> *Example: *A person's name on a nametag in a photograph. >> >> Cheers, >> >> G >> >> >> glenda sims | team a11y lead | deque.com | 512.963.3773 >> <(512)%20963-3773> >> >> *web for everyone. web on everything.* - w3 goals >> >> >> >> On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 10:24 PM, Aparna Pasi <aparna.pasi@deque.com> >> wrote: >> >> Hey David, >> >> To be honest, I haven't failed video animation or captions as I haven't >> seen such a scenario. >> >> I believe we should fail them as they are conveying information however, >> success criteria doesn't include anything about timed media. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Aparna >> >> >> >> On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 4:30 AM, David MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca> >> wrote: >> >> For instance a video an animation of someone in front of a blackboard >> with text on it. >> >> >> >> The definition appears to limit the SC to static images... >> >> >> >> Thoughts? >> >> >> Cheers, >> David MacDonald >> >> >> >> *Can**Adapt* *Solutions Inc.* >> >> Tel: 613.235.4902 <(613)%20235-4902> >> >> LinkedIn >> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidmacdonald100> >> >> twitter.com/davidmacd >> >> GitHub <https://github.com/DavidMacDonald> >> >> www.Can-Adapt.com <http://www.can-adapt.com/> >> >> >> >> * Adapting the web to all users* >> >> * Including those with disabilities* >> >> >> >> If you are not the intended recipient, please review our privacy policy >> <http://www.davidmacd.com/disclaimer.html> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Satya Jaya Aparna Pasi >> >> CPACC Professional| Senior Accessibility Consultant >> >> Deque Software >> >> aparna.pasi@deque.com | +91-7093400949 <+91%2070934%2000949> >> >> [image: Deque Logo] >> >> >> >> >> > > -- John Foliot Principal Accessibility Strategist Deque Systems Inc. john.foliot@deque.com Advancing the mission of digital accessibility and inclusion
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