Re: Should we require labels to be always visible?

I'm glad to hear this consensus emerging...

We have Paciello, Deque, Nomesa, SSB, myself and others all with this
interpretation...

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On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 12:41 PM, Katie Haritos-Shea GMAIL <ryladog@gmail.com
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> I agree with Patrick
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Patrick H. Lauke [mailto:redux@splintered.co.uk]
> Sent: Saturday, January 7, 2017 12:31 PM
> To: w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
> Subject: Re: Should we require labels to be always visible?
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> On 07/01/2017 14:50, Marla Runyan wrote:
> > Glenda,
> >
> > I totally agree:
> >
> >   * A placeholder alone in a form field does not qualify as a label for
> >     sighted users because it is not always present. Note: A placeholder,
> >     then supplemented by a label (even if the label does not visually
> >     appear until after the user focuses on the field) is enough to pass
> >     - so long as a label is always programmatically associated.
> >
> > BUT - What if the placeholder text is styled to meet contrast specs
> > (4.5:1) and is also styled to remain visible until the user begins
> > typing - would placeholder text under these conditions qualify as a
> > visible label when a programmatic label is also present?
>
> No because once something has been entered in the field, there is no more
> visible text acting as a label present for sighted users who are not using
> AT.
>
> Contrast is orthogonal to this discussion, as it's a separate issue.
>
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