RE: Word count of New SC compared to WCAG 2

Andrew and David,

 

I am not opposed to this, as long as, those SC left out in round one, then, don’t get brought in soon enough to benefit from public review and comment – and – by not being in the FPWD are not somehow relegated to not being able to be included in the end. 

 

Two reason NOT to do this is:

 

1.       What you quested from the Process document Andrew, if it means that new SC cannot be added in later drafts, and

2.       Those in need of the most help will not get the profit of outside exert eyes, sooner rather than later

 

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From: David MacDonald [mailto:david100@sympatico.ca] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2017 4:02 PM
To: Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com>
Cc: Mike Elledge <melledge@yahoo.com>; tink@tink.uk; Katie Haritos-Shea GMAIL <ryladog@gmail.com>; WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
Subject: Re: Word count of New SC compared to WCAG 2

 

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On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 3:51 PM, Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com <mailto:akirkpat@adobe.com> > wrote:

The Working Group has not made any decision that it will include all of the SC proposals in the FPWD and then cull or change them in response to feedback. This is one possible approach, with the other being to build up the FPWD with what the WG agrees on (and a variation whereby items that are largely agreed on but still have outstanding issues might be included as incomplete / at risk in order to get additional feedback).

 

I favor a document that we build up as a high-quality work-product at every point in time, so the review can be more focused rather than dumping everything in and running the risk of commenters wondering if the group has done any editing. I think that it is ok for a limited number of items where the group needs additional feedback to be included in the FPWD (and following WD’s, which I hope to make much more frequent than in the past) but not everything that was proposed all at once.

 

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From: Mike Elledge <melledge@yahoo.com <mailto:melledge@yahoo.com> >
Reply-To: Mike Elledge <melledge@yahoo.com <mailto:melledge@yahoo.com> >
Date: Tuesday, January 3, 2017 at 15:38
To: Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com <mailto:akirkpat@adobe.com> >, "tink@tink.uk <mailto:tink@tink.uk> " <tink@tink.uk <mailto:tink@tink.uk> >, Katie GMAIL <ryladog@gmail.com <mailto:ryladog@gmail.com> >, David MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca <mailto:david100@sympatico.ca> >
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Subject: Re: Word count of New SC compared to WCAG 2

 

I agree with Leonie's suggestion that we include the new SCs that are ready and add others later.

 

I also wasn't sure what "at risk" meant, so thanks for the clarification. Too late, I suppose, to change it to something more user-friendly, like "Under Consideration" or "To Be Decided".

 

Mike

 

On Tuesday, January 3, 2017 3:12 PM, Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com <mailto:akirkpat@adobe.com> > wrote:

 

See “at risk” in 6.4.1 of the process document: http://www.w3.org/2015/Process-20150901/#revised-cr

Items that are marked “at risk” in a CR document can be removed in the PR document without returning to CR.

Thanks,
AWK

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On 1/3/17, 14:55, "Léonie Watson" <tink@tink.uk <mailto:tink@tink.uk> > wrote:

>On 03/01/2017 19:17, Katie Haritos-Shea GMAIL wrote:
>> Then *how* are we going to expect getting feedback and ideas on testing
>> and techniques on those items that might be ‘At Risk’?
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>What do you mean by at risk?
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>> *From:*David MacDonald [mailto:david100@sympatico.ca <mailto:david100@sympatico.ca> ]
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 3, 2017 1:42 PM
>> *To:* Léonie Watson <tink@tink.uk <mailto:tink@tink.uk> >
>> *Cc:* WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org <mailto:w3c-wai-gl@w3.org> >
>> *Subject:* Re: Word count of New SC compared to WCAG 2
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>>>>The FPWD does not need to include all the proposed SC. It only needs
>> to include those SC that have been reviewed and categorised by the time
>> the FPWD is expected. Other SC can be added incrementally to subsequent
>> WD as/when.
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>> ​That makes sense to me.
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>> On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 1:33 PM, Léonie Watson <tink@tink.uk <mailto:tink@tink.uk> 
>> <mailto:tink@tink.uk <mailto:tink@tink.uk> >> wrote:
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>>    On 03/01/2017 18:06, David MacDonald wrote:
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>>        but I'm concerned that the world is watching for WCAG next, and
>>        has been
>>        waiting over 8 years. Is this the first thing we want to release to
>>        these stakeholders in 8 years?
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>>    No.
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>>        I think we may want to postpone our release date for the FPWD,
>>        until we
>>        can parse these, figure out how we are going to organize them
>>        and make
>>        some preliminary vetting.
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>>    The FPWD does not need to include all the proposed SC. It only needs
>>    to include those SC that have been reviewed and categorised by the
>>    time the FPWD is expected. Other SC can be added incrementally to
>>    subsequent WD as/when.
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>>    Please don't consider delaying the timeline. Eight years is far too
>>    long as it is - let's not make it worse.
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>>    Léonie.
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