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Re: Is Java Web Start covered by WCAG?

From: Gregg C Vanderheiden <greggvan@umd.edu>
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2017 12:36:21 +0200
Message-Id: <44A9D740-96C7-43E8-BED7-3006FDEBA576@umd.edu>
Cc: "w3c-waI-gl@w3. org" <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
To: Jonathan Avila <jon.avila@ssbbartgroup.com>
I would agree.   FTP not covered. 

WCAG conformance is based on the web page  which is defined as 

Web page
a non-embedded resource obtained from a single URI using HTTP plus any other resources that are used in the rendering or intended to be rendered together with it by a user agent <https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/#useragentdef>


Unless someone figured out how to do FTP using http —  I do not see how they say FTP is covered by WCAG.


now  WCAG is a ruler and you can use it for many things.   The Access Board is using it for docs and software — but that is just someone using it that way.     It does not make the standard cover those  (and indeed it doesn’t COVER them  — other provisions are needed as well. )

But as to whether the WCAG 2.0 Working GROpu  intended WCAG 2.0 to cover FTP  — the answer is “Not to my knowledge — and I was co-chair of the WG


best 


G


Gregg C Vanderheiden
greggvan@umd.edu



> On Apr 28, 2017, at 3:03 AM, Jonathan Avila <jon.avila@ssbbartgroup.com> wrote:
> 
> Ø  that PDF delivered via FTP is in scope...
>  
> This is something the group doesn’t seem to agree on.  I’d like to get consensus on this as well.  I was told by members of the working group who were involved during WCAG 2.0’s creation that it was not covered.
>  
> Jonathan
>  
> From: John Foliot [mailto:john.foliot@deque.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 4:46 PM
> To: Laura Carlson
> Cc: James Nurthen; Gregg C Vanderheiden; Jonathan Avila; w3c-waI-gl@w3. org; public-low-vision-a11y-tf
> Subject: Re: Is Java Web Start covered by WCAG?
>  
> Clarification / correction / addition:
> 
> ...If Web Start is used to transport and then launch a User Interface-based application or content​, I'd argue that yes, it is in scope in the same way that PDF delivered via FTP is in scope...
>  
> JF
>  
> On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 3:39 PM, Laura Carlson <laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com <mailto:laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Hi Gregg,
> 
> Did you mean WCAG's Web page definition?
> https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/#webpagedef <https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/#webpagedef>
> 
> Or something else?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Kindest Regards,
> Laura
> 
> On 4/26/17, James Nurthen <james.nurthen@oracle.com <mailto:james.nurthen@oracle.com>> wrote:
> > Can someone point to that definition because I can't find it.
> >
> >> On Apr 26, 2017, at 12:32, Gregg C Vanderheiden <greggvan@umd.edu <mailto:greggvan@umd.edu>> wrote:
> >>
> >> the definition of Web Content is in the definition section of WCAG.
> >>
> >> if something meets that definition  - it would be Web Content as per
> >> WCAG.
> >>
> >> g
> >>
> >>
> >> Gregg C Vanderheiden
> >> greggvan@umd.edu <mailto:greggvan@umd.edu>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>> On Apr 26, 2017, at 8:56 PM, Jonathan Avila <jon.avila@ssbbartgroup.com <mailto:jon.avila@ssbbartgroup.com>>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> If when it is run it uses HTTP to get its content then it is web
> >>>> content. What is download it is simply a special user agent.
> >>>
> >>> A lot of things can be sent via HTTP.  Remote Desktop can be run over
> >>> HTTP -- through a special user agent.  This definition might include a
> >>> lot of things we haven't considered.  PhoneGap wraps web content that
> >>> uses HTTP.  So does that make PhoneGap a user agent?
> >>>
> >>> Jonathan
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Gregg Vanderheiden RTF [mailto:gregg@raisingthefloor.org <mailto:gregg@raisingthefloor.org>]
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 2:48 PM
> >>> To: Laura Carlson
> >>> Cc: w3c-waI-gl@w3. org; public-low-vision-a11y-tf; James Nurthen
> >>> Subject: Re: Is Java Web Start covered by WCAG?
> >>>
> >>> Can't quite tell from your description. If it is downloaded and installed
> >>> and then run it is not the web application.
> >>>
> >>> If when it is run it uses HTTP to get its content then it is web content.
> >>> What is download it is simply a special user agent.
> >>>
> >>>> From your description it isn't quite clear which of the two cases it is
> >>>
> >>> Gregg
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On Apr 26, 2017, at 8:45 PM, Laura Carlson <laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com <mailto:laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com>>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hello Everyone,
> >>>>
> >>>> James asked on Oracle's Adapting Text comment [1] if Java Web Start
> >>>> [2] [3] is covered by WCAG.  He said, "The application is started from
> >>>> a URL and the application is downloaded, installed updated and run
> >>>> directly when clicking on a URL in a web page."
> >>>>
> >>>> Thoughts?
> >>>>
> >>>> Thank you.
> >>>>
> >>>> Kindest Regards,
> >>>> Laura
> >>>>
> >>>> [1]
> >>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__github.com_w3c_wcag21_issues_222-23issuecomment-2D297476165&d=DwIFAg&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PQcxBKCX5YTpkKY057SbK10&r=ELX2morANsauwtoroVrFb2wD7s1u7PsR47DTXqRvJ34&m=IAo8TM-kAptGWdSD9HSxzH9qhNNtNWsGxUTs3R1wsjw&s=qCcV_q2_pBoCNU0qmktn3O6iqXJUvRJvTOx3FVtJRZU&e= <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__github.com_w3c_wcag21_issues_222-23issuecomment-2D297476165&d=DwIFAg&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PQcxBKCX5YTpkKY057SbK10&r=ELX2morANsauwtoroVrFb2wD7s1u7PsR47DTXqRvJ34&m=IAo8TM-kAptGWdSD9HSxzH9qhNNtNWsGxUTs3R1wsjw&s=qCcV_q2_pBoCNU0qmktn3O6iqXJUvRJvTOx3FVtJRZU&e=>
> >>>>
> >>>> [2]
> >>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikipedia.org_wiki_Java-5FWeb-5FStart&d=DwIFAg&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PQcxBKCX5YTpkKY057SbK10&r=ELX2morANsauwtoroVrFb2wD7s1u7PsR47DTXqRvJ34&m=IAo8TM-kAptGWdSD9HSxzH9qhNNtNWsGxUTs3R1wsjw&s=ucxbJAZcLaQyGWHQAB4dxyvx_9w3C2uajdYaFXtvIWw&e= <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikipedia.org_wiki_Java-5FWeb-5FStart&d=DwIFAg&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PQcxBKCX5YTpkKY057SbK10&r=ELX2morANsauwtoroVrFb2wD7s1u7PsR47DTXqRvJ34&m=IAo8TM-kAptGWdSD9HSxzH9qhNNtNWsGxUTs3R1wsjw&s=ucxbJAZcLaQyGWHQAB4dxyvx_9w3C2uajdYaFXtvIWw&e=>
> >>>>
> >>>> [3]
> >>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.java.com_en_download_faq_java-5Fwebstart.xml&d=DwIFAg&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PQcxBKCX5YTpkKY057SbK10&r=ELX2morANsauwtoroVrFb2wD7s1u7PsR47DTXqRvJ34&m=IAo8TM-kAptGWdSD9HSxzH9qhNNtNWsGxUTs3R1wsjw&s=cPjasa_fhYvGiueGWfxz6G5pSOhMMmEgajnrJA6lFr8&e= <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.java.com_en_download_faq_java-5Fwebstart.xml&d=DwIFAg&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PQcxBKCX5YTpkKY057SbK10&r=ELX2morANsauwtoroVrFb2wD7s1u7PsR47DTXqRvJ34&m=IAo8TM-kAptGWdSD9HSxzH9qhNNtNWsGxUTs3R1wsjw&s=cPjasa_fhYvGiueGWfxz6G5pSOhMMmEgajnrJA6lFr8&e=>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Laura L. Carlson
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 
> --
> Laura L. Carlson
> 
> 
> 
>  
> -- 
> John Foliot
> Principal Accessibility Strategist
> Deque Systems Inc.
> john.foliot@deque.com <mailto:john.foliot@deque.com>
>  
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