- From: Shadi Abou-Zahra <shadi@w3.org>
- Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2015 08:25:44 +0200
- To: David MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca>
- Cc: WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
I concur, excellent diagram David! One thought, though, I was wondering if the diagram may be too centric on the internal WG view rather than the user view. Specifically, the normative and non-normative parts are unconnected in the development process, but they are connected for the user - mainly through the "How to Meet WCAG 2.0" quick reference, which is currently being redesigned. I think this may also be a good resource for plugging-in the extensions into the WCAG 2 suite of documents seamlessly to the users of WCAG. So, my suggestion - if acceptable to the group - is to add the "How to Meet WCAG 2.0" quick reference to the diagram, as the "interface" for the work that is produced in the depicted diagram. I think this would make the diagram more complete, but also to keep reminding ourselves about the integration and usability of the actual work outcomes. Best, Shadi On 27.9.2015 13:52, Laura Carlson wrote: > Hi David, > > Thank you! > > The diagram s much clearer. I like it a lot. > > Kindest Regards, > Laura > > > On 9/26/15, David MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca> wrote: >> PS I added the "Digital Learning" box task force to the diagram. >> >> http://davidmacd.com/blog/WCAG-extension-proposed-integration-into-WCAG.html >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> David MacDonald >> >> >> >> *Can**Adapt* *Solutions Inc.* >> >> Tel: 613.235.4902 >> >> LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidmacdonald100> >> >> www.Can-Adapt.com >> >> >> >> * Adapting the web to all users* >> * Including those with disabilities* >> >> If you are not the intended recipient, please review our privacy policy >> <http://www.davidmacd.com/disclaimer.html> >> >> On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 10:12 AM, David MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca> >> wrote: >> >>> Thanks Laura >>> >>> It looks good, has advantage of being simpler, and I really like the >>> funnel. Perhaps the disadvantage of dividing them is that in practice, >>> the >>> non-normative and normative work are interrelated, a messy process of >>> things emerging as success criteria and other being relegated to >>> techniques >>> tends to come out of the same work processes rather than separate work >>> items. However, the important thing is that we are on the same page and >>> understand the proposal... so they are both useful diagrams... thanks for >>> jumping in... >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> David MacDonald >>> >>> >>> >>> *Can**Adapt* *Solutions Inc.* >>> >>> Tel: 613.235.4902 >>> >>> LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidmacdonald100> >>> >>> www.Can-Adapt.com >>> >>> >>> >>> * Adapting the web to all users* >>> * Including those with disabilities* >>> >>> If you are not the intended recipient, please review our privacy policy >>> <http://www.davidmacd.com/disclaimer.html> >>> >>> On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 6:13 PM, Laura Carlson < >>> laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi David, >>>> >>>> Yes. This is a big improvement. Thanks. >>>> >>>> The following is a take on simplfying it further by splitting it into >>>> 2 flow charts. >>>> http://www.d.umn.edu/~lcarlson/wcagwg/extensions/integration.html >>>> >>>> Kindest Regards, >>>> Laura >>>> >>>> On 9/24/15, David MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca> wrote: >>>>> I've taken the feedback and created another diagram that may be >>>>> clearer. >>>>> I've tried to simplify it, particularly reducing the complexity of the >>>>> errors. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> http://davidmacd.com/blog/WCAG-extension-proposed-integration-into-WCAG.html >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> >>>>> David MacDonald >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *Can**Adapt* *Solutions Inc.* >>>>> >>>>> Tel: 613.235.4902 >>>>> >>>>> LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidmacdonald100> >>>>> >>>>> www.Can-Adapt.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> * Adapting the web to all users* >>>>> * Including those with disabilities* >>>>> >>>>> If you are not the intended recipient, please review our privacy >>>>> policy >>>>> <http://www.davidmacd.com/disclaimer.html> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 12:38 PM, David MacDonald < >>>> david100@sympatico.ca> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Detlev >>>>>> >>>>>>>> "WCAG Extension" is both the label of the blob in the normative >>>> section >>>>>> BUT ALSO heads the WCAG extensions to the left (the boxes Mobile, >>>>>> Coginitve, Low vision). >>>>>> >>>>>> The proposal is that the left side is the the individual task force >>>> work. >>>>>> Any success criteria and guidelines would be gathered up and adjusted >>>> for >>>>>> redundancies etc, >>>>>> >>>>>>>> The meaning of the arrows could be that some or all of that stuff >>>> feeds >>>>>> into a normative extension or that there a relation of sorts between >>>> two >>>>>> separate things. >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes, I'm suggesting that the three extensions could be combined into >>>> one >>>>>> normative extension. >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> it doesn't tell me clearly if and when I need to meet the >>>>>>>>> Extension >>>> to >>>>>> claim WCAG 2.0 conformance. >>>>>> >>>>>> WCAG 2 will never change, so the extension circle is not required to >>>> meet >>>>>> WCAG 2 but if some jurisdiction requires "WCAG2 + Extension", then it >>>>>> would >>>>>> be required in addition to WCAG. That is why it is in the normative >>>>>> box... >>>>>> Normative means it will go through a formal acceptance procedure >>>>>> which >>>> is >>>>>> very rigorous. Once something is declared normative it is very hard >>>>>> to >>>>>> change... that would be any Guidelines and Success Criteria that the >>>> task >>>>>> forces make, and are approved. >>>>>> >>>>>> Explanation of Normative https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normative >>>>>> >>>>>> The techniques we work up in the task forces will go into the >>>>>> "informative" bucket... they are non normative and can be easily >>>> changed, >>>>>> fixed, or adapted and they can be referenced either by the extension >>>>>> or >>>>>> the >>>>>> core WCAG. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> >>>>>> David MacDonald >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *Can**Adapt* *Solutions Inc.* >>>>>> >>>>>> Tel: 613.235.4902 >>>>>> >>>>>> LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidmacdonald100> >>>>>> >>>>>> www.Can-Adapt.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> * Adapting the web to all users* >>>>>> * Including those with disabilities* >>>>>> >>>>>> If you are not the intended recipient, please review our privacy >>>>>> policy >>>>>> <http://www.davidmacd.com/disclaimer.html> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 11:00 AM, Detlev Fischer < >>>>>> detlev.fischer@testkreis.de> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> What I currently find confusing is that "WCAG Extension" is both the >>>>>>> label of the blob in the normative section BUT ALSO heads the WCAG >>>>>>> extensions to the left (the boxes Mobile, Coginitve, Low vision). >>>>>>> The >>>>>>> meaning of the arrows could be that some or all of that stuff feeds >>>> into >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> normative extension or that there a relation of sorts between two >>>>>>> separate >>>>>>> things. The diagram also leaves me uncertain as to the exact status >>>> of >>>>>>> *the* Extension or the *extensions* - it doesn't tell me clearly if >>>> and >>>>>>> when I need to meet the Extension to claim WCAG 2.0 conformance. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Detlev Fischer >>>>>>> testkreis c/o feld.wald.wiese >>>>>>> Thedestr. 2, 22767 Hamburg >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mobil +49 (0)1577 170 73 84 >>>>>>> Tel +49 (0)40 439 10 68-3 >>>>>>> Fax +49 (0)40 439 10 68-5 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.testkreis.de >>>>>>> Beratung, Tests und Schulungen für barrierefreie Websites >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Laura Carlson schrieb am 24.09.2015 16:33: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi David and all, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think the idea of a flowchart to depicted how separate >>>>>>>> extensions >>>>>>>> become 1 unified WCAG extension is great. Reminds me of those "How >>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>> bill becomes a law" diagrams. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I gave the flowchart it's own section on the WCAG 2 Extension >>>>>>>> Principles Wiki Page. >>>>>>>> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/WCAG_2_Extension_Principles >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks for your hard work. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>>>> Laura >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 9/24/15, Srinivasu Chakravarthula < >>>>>>> srinivasu.chakravarthula@deque.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> +1 Great work, David. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >From the beginning at least my understanding is that TFs are >>>>>>> subgroups of >>>>>>>>> WGs. >>>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>>> Srini >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *Srinivasu Chakravarthula* >>>>>>>>> Sr. Accessibility Consultant, *Deque* <http://deque.com> >>>>>>>>> Hand phone: +91 709 380 3855 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Deque University <http://dequeuniversity.com> | Follow me on >>>> Twitter >>>>>>>>> <http://twitter.com/CSrinivasu> | Connect on LinkedIn >>>>>>>>> <http://linkedin.com/in/srinivasuc> | About Me < >>>>>>> http://about.me/srinivasuc> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Technology is a gift to everyone; let's create inclusive digital >>>>>>> experience >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 2:05 PM, josh@interaccess.ie < >>>>>>> josh@interaccess.ie> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Great stuff David! As discussed on the call yesterday - one area >>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>> your diagram would need to address is the nexus/delta between >>>>>>>>>> related >>>>>>>>>> techniques (as outputs from various TFs that cover users in >>>>>>>>>> other >>>>>>>>>> groups). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> At least to indicate that in your document flow would be good as >>>> the >>>>>>>>>> techniques may not always be exclusively related to the needs of >>>>>>>>>> each >>>>>>> TFs >>>>>>>>>> target user group. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I also think that the Mobile TF, Cognitive TF and Low Vision TF >>>>>>>>>> work >>>>>>>>>> belongs 'inside' the 'WCAG Extension' Circle, as the TFs are >>>> tasked >>>>>>> to do >>>>>>>>>> this work, and your visual representation indicates that they >>>>>>>>>> may >>>> be >>>>>>>>>> separate. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Good work though :-) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Josh >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>>>>>>>> From: "David MacDonald" <david100@sympatico.ca> >>>>>>>>>> To: "WCAG" <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: 23/09/2015 21:14:56 >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Diagram of WCAG Extension integration into WCAG >>>> (Proposal) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I've created a diagram of how we might integrate the extensions >>>> into >>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>> single document. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>> http://davidmacd.com/blog/WCAG-extension-proposed-integration-into-WCAG.html >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Description: >>>>>>>>>> The task forces, Mobile, Cognitive, and Low Vision would develop >>>>>>>>>> guidelines, success criteria and techniques separately, and then >>>>>>>>>> integrate >>>>>>>>>> them to resolve conflicts and overlaps and then integrate them >>>> into >>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> singular WCAG extension. The techniques would be collected in a >>>> non >>>>>>>>>> normative document as techniques for the extension, and some of >>>> them >>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>> referenced from WCAG 2 where the techniques might apply to an >>>>>>>>>> existing >>>>>>>>>> Success criteria. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> David MacDonald >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *Can**Adapt* *Solutions Inc.* >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Tel: 613.235.4902 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidmacdonald100> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> www.Can-Adapt.com <http://www.can-adapt.com/> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> * Adapting the web to all users* >>>>>>>>>> * Including those with disabilities* >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If you are not the intended recipient, please review our privacy >>>>>>> policy >>>>>>>>>> <http://www.davidmacd.com/disclaimer.html> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Laura L. Carlson >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Laura L. Carlson >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> > > -- Shadi Abou-Zahra - http://www.w3.org/People/shadi/ Activity Lead, WAI International Program Office W3C Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
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