Re: Diagram of WCAG Extension integration into WCAG (Proposal)

Hi David,

Thank you!

The diagram s much clearer. I like it a lot.

Kindest Regards,
Laura


On 9/26/15, David MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> PS I added the "Digital Learning" box task force to the diagram.
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> http://davidmacd.com/blog/WCAG-extension-proposed-integration-into-WCAG.html
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> On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 10:12 AM, David MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca>
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>> Thanks Laura
>>
>> It looks good, has advantage of being simpler, and I really like the
>> funnel. Perhaps the disadvantage of dividing them is that in practice,
>> the
>> non-normative and normative work are interrelated, a messy process of
>> things emerging as success criteria and other being relegated to
>> techniques
>> tends to come out of the same work processes rather than separate work
>> items. However, the important thing is that we are on the same page and
>> understand the proposal... so they are both useful diagrams... thanks for
>> jumping in...
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> David MacDonald
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>> On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 6:13 PM, Laura Carlson <
>> laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi David,
>>>
>>> Yes. This is a big improvement. Thanks.
>>>
>>> The following is a take on simplfying it further by splitting it into
>>> 2 flow charts.
>>> http://www.d.umn.edu/~lcarlson/wcagwg/extensions/integration.html
>>>
>>> Kindest Regards,
>>> Laura
>>>
>>> On 9/24/15, David MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>> > I've taken the feedback and created another diagram that may be
>>> > clearer.
>>> > I've tried to simplify it, particularly reducing the complexity of the
>>> > errors.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> http://davidmacd.com/blog/WCAG-extension-proposed-integration-into-WCAG.html
>>> >
>>> > Cheers,
>>> >
>>> > David MacDonald
>>> >
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>>> > On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 12:38 PM, David MacDonald <
>>> david100@sympatico.ca>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Hi Detlev
>>> >>
>>> >> >>"WCAG Extension" is both the label of the blob in the normative
>>> section
>>> >> BUT ALSO heads the WCAG extensions to the left (the boxes Mobile,
>>> >> Coginitve, Low vision).
>>> >>
>>> >> The proposal is that the left side is the the individual task force
>>> work.
>>> >> Any success criteria and guidelines would be gathered up and adjusted
>>> for
>>> >> redundancies etc,
>>> >>
>>> >> >>The meaning of the arrows could be that some or all of that stuff
>>> feeds
>>> >> into a normative extension or that there a relation of sorts between
>>> two
>>> >> separate things.
>>> >>
>>> >> Yes, I'm suggesting that the three extensions could be combined into
>>> one
>>> >> normative extension.
>>> >>
>>> >> >>>it doesn't tell me clearly if and when I need to meet the
>>> >> >>> Extension
>>> to
>>> >> claim WCAG 2.0 conformance.
>>> >>
>>> >> WCAG 2 will never change, so the extension circle is not required to
>>> meet
>>> >> WCAG 2 but if some jurisdiction requires "WCAG2 + Extension", then it
>>> >> would
>>> >> be required in addition to WCAG. That is why it is in the normative
>>> >> box...
>>> >> Normative means it will go through a formal acceptance procedure
>>> >> which
>>> is
>>> >> very rigorous. Once something is declared normative it is very hard
>>> >> to
>>> >> change... that would be any Guidelines and Success Criteria that the
>>> task
>>> >> forces make, and are approved.
>>> >>
>>> >> Explanation of Normative https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normative
>>> >>
>>> >> The techniques we work up in the task forces will go into the
>>> >> "informative" bucket... they are non normative and can be easily
>>> changed,
>>> >> fixed, or adapted and they can be referenced either by the extension
>>> >> or
>>> >> the
>>> >> core WCAG.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Cheers,
>>> >>
>>> >> David MacDonald
>>> >>
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>>> >> On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 11:00 AM, Detlev Fischer <
>>> >> detlev.fischer@testkreis.de> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> What I currently find confusing is that "WCAG Extension" is both the
>>> >>> label of the blob in the normative section BUT ALSO heads the WCAG
>>> >>> extensions to the left (the boxes Mobile, Coginitve, Low vision).
>>> >>> The
>>> >>> meaning of the arrows could be that some or all of that stuff feeds
>>> into
>>> >>> a
>>> >>> normative extension or that there a relation of sorts between two
>>> >>> separate
>>> >>> things.  The diagram also leaves me uncertain as to the exact status
>>> of
>>> >>> *the* Extension or the *extensions* - it doesn't tell me clearly if
>>> and
>>> >>> when I need to meet the Extension to claim WCAG 2.0 conformance.
>>> >>>
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>>> >>> Laura Carlson schrieb am 24.09.2015 16:33:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> > Hi David and all,
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > I think the idea of a  flowchart to depicted how separate
>>> >>> > extensions
>>> >>> > become 1 unified WCAG extension is great. Reminds me of those "How
>>> >>> > a
>>> >>> > bill becomes a law" diagrams.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > I gave the flowchart it's own section on the WCAG 2 Extension
>>> >>> > Principles Wiki Page.
>>> >>> > https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/WCAG_2_Extension_Principles
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > Thanks for your hard work.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > Best regards,
>>> >>> > Laura
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > On 9/24/15, Srinivasu Chakravarthula <
>>> >>> srinivasu.chakravarthula@deque.com>
>>> >>> > wrote:
>>> >>> >> +1 Great work, David.
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >> >From the beginning at least my understanding is that TFs are
>>> >>> subgroups of
>>> >>> >> WGs.
>>> >>> >> Best,
>>> >>> >> Srini
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >> Best regards,
>>> >>> >>
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>>> >>> >> On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 2:05 PM, josh@interaccess.ie <
>>> >>> josh@interaccess.ie>
>>> >>> >> wrote:
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >>> Great stuff David! As discussed on the call yesterday - one area
>>> >>> >>> that
>>> >>> >>> your diagram would need to address is the nexus/delta between
>>> >>> >>> related
>>> >>> >>> techniques (as outputs from various TFs that cover users in
>>> >>> >>> other
>>> >>> >>> groups).
>>> >>> >>>
>>> >>> >>> At least to indicate that in your document flow would be good as
>>> the
>>> >>> >>> techniques may not always be exclusively related to the needs of
>>> >>> >>> each
>>> >>> TFs
>>> >>> >>> target user group.
>>> >>> >>>
>>> >>> >>> I also think that the Mobile TF, Cognitive TF  and Low Vision TF
>>> >>> >>> work
>>> >>> >>> belongs 'inside' the 'WCAG Extension' Circle, as the TFs are
>>> tasked
>>> >>> to do
>>> >>> >>> this work, and your visual representation indicates that they
>>> >>> >>> may
>>> be
>>> >>> >>> separate.
>>> >>> >>>
>>> >>> >>> Good work though :-)
>>> >>> >>>
>>> >>> >>> Josh
>>> >>> >>>
>>> >>> >>> ------ Original Message ------
>>> >>> >>> From: "David MacDonald" <david100@sympatico.ca>
>>> >>> >>> To: "WCAG" <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
>>> >>> >>> Sent: 23/09/2015 21:14:56
>>> >>> >>> Subject: Diagram of WCAG Extension integration into WCAG
>>> (Proposal)
>>> >>> >>>
>>> >>> >>>
>>> >>> >>> I've created a diagram of how we might integrate the extensions
>>> into
>>> >>> >>> a
>>> >>> >>> single document.
>>> >>> >>>
>>> >>> >>>
>>> >>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> http://davidmacd.com/blog/WCAG-extension-proposed-integration-into-WCAG.html
>>> >>> >>>
>>> >>> >>> Description:
>>> >>> >>> The task forces, Mobile, Cognitive, and Low Vision would develop
>>> >>> >>> guidelines, success criteria and techniques separately, and then
>>> >>> >>> integrate
>>> >>> >>> them to resolve conflicts and overlaps and then integrate them
>>> into
>>> >>> the
>>> >>> >>> singular WCAG extension. The techniques would be collected in a
>>> non
>>> >>> >>> normative document as techniques for the extension, and some of
>>> them
>>> >>> can
>>> >>> >>> be
>>> >>> >>> referenced from WCAG 2 where the techniques might apply to an
>>> >>> >>> existing
>>> >>> >>> Success criteria.
>>> >>> >>>
>>> >>> >>> Cheers,
>>> >>> >>>
>>> >>> >>> David MacDonald
>>> >>> >>>
>>> >>> >>>
>>> >>> >>>
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>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > --
>>> >>> > Laura L. Carlson
>>> >>> >
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Laura L. Carlson
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>>>
>>>
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Laura L. Carlson

Received on Sunday, 27 September 2015 11:53:00 UTC