RE: We may need greater clarity of when it’s a failure to omit title attribute from an iframe

Ø  Except I wouldn't say that tabindex will hide the content from the user

Sorry, I didn’t mean to imply tabindex alone would hide it.  I meant that should be used in combination with other techniques to hide it from the user.  In the past some ATs would also key off of height and width of 0.

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From: David MacDonald [mailto:david100@sympatico.ca]
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2015 12:06 PM
To: Jonathan Avila
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Subject: Re: We may need greater clarity of when it’s a failure to omit title attribute from an iframe

Thanks Jonathan
I concur.

Except I wouldn't say that tabindex will hide the content from the user, it will just pull it out of the tab order. My suggestion of adding tabindex="-1" was to address issues raised by an accessibility professional regarding the situation where an author is trying to blend the iframe in with the surrounding context and it is not visually distinctive content. He presented it as a situation where there was no need for a title. But in FF and IE, the iframe gets tab focus... so if authors were trying to include the iframe as an inseparable part of the content  they could take it out of the tab order... I was trying to get around the requirement for 4.1.2 AccName in those situations to accommodate the suggestion.

But it doesn't fully solve the problem because most Screen Readers will try to announce the iframe entering and exiting anyway and it might be confusing with no label (title)

So I'd be glad for us to introduce a common failure for missing title attribute on an iframe unless it is hidden from all users.


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On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 5:21 PM, Jonathan Avila <jon.avila@ssbbartgroup.com<mailto:jon.avila@ssbbartgroup.com>> wrote:

>  In the article, the general consensus is that it is usually a failure to omit the title attribute from an iframe

I’d consider it a failure unless it is not user facing.  Many iframes are user facing, e.g. social media widgets, media players, etc.. If it wasn’t user facing, it would need to be properly hidden from the user via tabindex=-1, CSS display none, hidden attribute, etc.

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From: David MacDonald [mailto:david100@sympatico.ca<mailto:david100@sympatico.ca>]
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2015 5:10 PM
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Subject: We may need greater clarity of when its a failure to omit title attribute from an iframe

I've put up a bunch of tests with AT and browsers for the title on an iframe. I think we may want to discuss and tighten up some of H6 and maybe parts of the understanding doc. Especially in the case of ads and video players embedded in a web page.
In the article, the general consensus is that it is usually a failure to omit the title attribute from an iframe, but there is quite a bit of diversity from a11y professionals which is captured in the article.

http://davidmacd.com/blog/is-title-attribute-on-iframe-required-by-wcag.html



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