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[html-techs-tf] Minutes Dec 17 2012

From: James Nurthen <james.nurthen@oracle.com>
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 10:05:55 -0800
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Minutes at http://www.w3.org/2012/12/17-html-techs-tf-minutes.html
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Happy Holidays,
James

    [1]W3C

       [1] http://www.w3.org/

                                - DRAFT -

                        HTML Techniques Task Force

17 Dec 2012

    See also: [2]IRC log

       [2] http://www.w3.org/2012/12/17-html-techs-tf-irc

Attendees

    Present
           James_Nurthen, Loretta, Marc_Johlic, Jon_Gunderson,
           Adam, [IPcaller]

    Regrets
    Chair
           SV_MEETING_CHAIR

    Scribe
           jamesn

Contents

      * [3]Topics
      * [4]Summary of Action Items
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    [5]https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/26_11_2012/

       [5] https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/26_11_2012/

    [6]https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/26_11_2012/

       [6] https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/26_11_2012/

    [7]https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/26_11_2012/results

       [7] https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/26_11_2012/results

    [8]http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_aria-describedby

       [8] http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_aria-describedby

    [9]http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_aria-describedby

       [9] http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_aria-describedby

    <scribe> scribe: jamesn

    we are looking at example 3 according to the diff as this is
    the new part

    LGR: Example 3 doesn't seem like 1.1.1
    ... A screen reader would read that every time focus hits

    JN: It depends on the screen reader
    ... described is read automatically by some and some it says
    may need additional info

    LGR: Maybe we should expand this technqiue to cover more than
    1.1.1

    <marcjohlic> [10]http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Techniques/ARIA

      [10] http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Techniques/ARIA

    MJ: 3.3.2 seems to cover this
    ... If this was labelled as ARIA-6. If 111 and 332 referenced
    aria-6, woudl that be too confusing

    LGR: there are examples which address multiple success
    criteria. Have to be very careful how you write the description
    ... It doesn't talk at all about how aria-describedby works. It
    assumers you know how it works.,
    ... I don't like this description much
    ... Have a feeling I commented this on an earlier survey

    <Loretta> Argh! I'm having wireless problems again.

    <Loretta> I tried dialing in from my desktop, but I think there
    is no mic.

    <Loretta> I canhear you.

    <Loretta> RIght.

    <Loretta> I may try skype again.

    <Loretta> Maybe I should try revising the description.

    <Loretta> Sure.

    <Loretta> ok

    JN: group consensus seems to be that it is ok to edit anyone
    else's technqiue so long as you back it up with survey comments
    and good tracking
    ... LGR to update description

    LGR: will try to make the technqique description more general
    so we can merge the describedby techqnieus

    [11]http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_aria-labelledby_to_conc
    atenate_a_label_from_several_text_nodes

      [11] http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_aria-labelledby_to_concatenate_a_label_from_several_text_nodes

    [12]https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/26_11_2012/results

      [12] https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/26_11_2012/results

    [13]https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/11262012/results#xconc
    at

      [13] https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/11262012/results#xconcat

    JN: Jons commetn in first survey

    JG: Track 1 and Track 2 don't mean much. Wouldn't the time be
    more useful

    LGR: The reason didn't put in the labelledby is that they are
    already the table headers

    JG: swicth screen reader modes?

    LGR: do you duplicate the header information in the text of
    each cell

    JG: probably in forms mode.

    LGR: If in table mode will probably be repeated
    ... we will have to add ids to the column header cells and add
    the time information

    JN: part of what determines forms mode vs table mode is the
    amount of information in the table

    LGR: whatever we put out could be used as the model

    JN: concern as to how people misread technqiues - may have
    people looking at this as how you have to do this.
    ... changed example 3 based on JG commetns
    ... LGR comments on survey

    <jongund>
    [14]http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria/roles#namecalculation

      [14] http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria/roles#namecalculation

    JN: seems to be 2 parts to the first comment. 1) the test
    description part, and 2) make sure the description covers what
    happens about seperators

    LGR: This has been fixed

    JN: I generally tell people to put it on (tabindex=-1)
    ... but should wait and talk to Cynthia

    LGR: why isn't this 1.1.1

    JN: added 1.1.1

    Stefan's comments on survey
    [15]https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/11262012/results#xconc
    at not yet addressed

      [15] https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/11262012/results#xconcat

Summary of Action Items

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