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Re: [html-techs-tf] Minutes from July 23, 2012

From: James Nurthen <james.nurthen@oracle.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 10:20:21 -0700
Message-ID: <500ED955.8080009@oracle.com>
To: Katie Haritos-Shea <ryladog@earthlink.net>
CC: Joshue O Connor <joshue.oconnor@cfit.ie>, adam solomon <adam.solomon2@gmail.com>, Protocols and Formats Working Group WG <w3c-wai-pf@w3.org>, w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
I have an open action from our meeting on July 9th[1] to draft some text 
to add to techniques where there are examples which would be better to 
use native controls.

[1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2012JulSep/0006.html

On 7/24/2012 9:52 AM, Katie Haritos-Shea wrote:
> +1
> Sent from my Samsung Epicâ„¢ 4G
> Joshue O Connor <joshue.oconnor@cfit.ie> wrote:
> adam solomon wrote:
> > Does anyone have a concern over using examples that do not implement 
> native
> > semantic html? For instance, the example at hand uses images as buttons,
> > when it could easily have used image buttons instead. Sure, it is 
> good to
> > know that this can be done when there is a need for it, hence the 
> value of
> > these examples, but for us, is there a danger that integrating these
> > examples into wcag will lend the impression that this is a best 
> practice,
> > when it is actually not? Or, perhaps a clear note on the issue 
> indicating
> > that aria is reserved for situations when native html is not 
> possible would
> > suffice.
> >   What say you
> Yes, interesting point and worth discussion on a call. The issue of
> native semantics is important default fallback if ARIA is unsupported
> IMO and I appreciate you concern about codifying what may not be best
> practice (on the face of it). In the example that you site of using
> images for buttons - there are none.
> However devs will do all sorts of 'non-standard' things with markup so
> it may be good to cover those instances also - in our examples. Thats
> one of the reasons why I think we should consider the JS library
> examples (as they refect what devs are doing in the wild).
> We also face the issue of using ARIA to override native semantics (which
> according to spec is what should happen) and maybe provide some
> reference/guidance (like the API doc Steve, Cynthia and Jason put 
> together).
> Cheers
> Josh

Regards, James

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