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Re: [html-techs-tf] Agenda for 11th June 2012

From: Joshue O Connor <joshue.oconnor@cfit.ie>
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 18:02:19 +0100
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To: James Nurthen <james.nurthen@oracle.com>
CC: "w3c-wai-pf@w3.org Formats" <w3c-wai-pf@w3.org>, WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>, leonie Watson <lwatson@nomensa.com>, Cynthia Shelly <cyns@microsoft.com>
Hi y'all,

Here are the minutes from todays call. Many thanks to Marc for scribing. [1]

Cheers

Josh

[1] http://www.w3.org/2012/06/11-html-techs-tf-minutes.html

HTML Techniques Task Force

11 Jun 2012

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
Regrets
Chair
Joshue
Scribe
marcjohlic
Contents

Topics
ARIA technique: flowto
Summary of Action Items
<Joshue> np
<jamesn> 9224 right?
<Detlev> Zakim aaa is Detlev
<adam> i am getting on in a sec
<scribe> scribe: marcjohlic
ARIA technique: flowto

http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_aria-flowto
<jamesn> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/htmltechs11jun/results
LGR: Wrote up technique in ambiguous way - wasn't sure how tab order 
would be affected
JN: If you're not running an AT, then flowto will be ignored - tab order 
will be the same
LGR: Impression was that if using screenreader and you came to a flowto 
that could change the reading order
... Sounds like this technique won't apply to focus order, but need to 
add something to the Test Procedures to ensure that focus order makes sense
... Doesn't appear that there is widespread AT support for flowto
agreement by JN and JOC
JOC: Suggest adding a "non-HTML5" example
JN: Agree - these sections could easily be changed to divs or p
LGR: Quick scan showed that only support currently is in JAWS 12 - and 
even that is buggy. Technique will be Advisory due to limited support.
RESOLUTION: Leaving technique open for further comments and for LGR to 
revise and resubmit
JOC: Have updated the HTML5 techniques for nav, section, and aside - 
will send out new surveys for them.
... Do we want to start including deadlines on these surveys?
JN: Yes, otherwise we end up with too many open surveys -
https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/myQuestionnaires
<jamesn> www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/myQuestionnaires
JN: The myQuestionaires link gives you a view of open surveys waiting 
for your response. One caution is that you may run into surveys that 
have not been finalized yet.
JOC: Been defaulting surveys to 2 months - should we change that?
JN: Should close the day of the meeting, and if we need to extend it we 
can. If we schedule it to close on Monday it is midnight at the end of 
that day.
<jamesn> (sorry) 1-0
LGR: Considering tackling 4.1.2 next
JN: First step may be determining what techniques are needed for 4.1.2
LGR: Will be an iterative process
... Expect that 4.1.2 will have less scripting than 1.3.1 - looking for 
anyone that would like to contribute that is not already working on 
other techniques
http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Techniques/ARIA
Detlev will take over 3.3.2 Labels or Instructions
JN: Not sure there is an ARIA technique for everything. Techniques 
listed with no ARIA technique referenced probably do not have an ARIA 
technique (but can be looked at)
LGR: Not necessary that you use every criteria to meet a Success Criteria
JN: With a couple exceptions ARIA is meant primarily for use with AT
<Loretta> JN: In ARIA developer guides like OpenAjax, note which WCAG 
success criteria are being addressed by an example,
<Loretta> JN: We shouldn't own those documents.
<Loretta> LGR: But we coud reference them from our documents.
MJ: Will talk to Jon G on OAA working group about mapping ARIA examples 
/ techniques back to WCAG success criteria so that they can easily be 
referenced
JOC: Perhaps we should add a note / flag to techniques that we don't 
believe there is an ARIA technique
JN: Maybe add a bullet stating "no ARIA technique"
LGR: Adding information about what's completed (whether because 
techniques are written or not required) will be helpful
<jamesn> ACTION: james to take a pass through 
http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Techniques/ARIA to note where no 
techniques are specified [recorded in 
http://www.w3.org/2012/06/11-html-techs-tf-minutes.html#action01
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