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RE: Objection to the deletion of F69

From: Adam Solomon <adam.solomon2@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 18:52:24 +0200
To: "'Loretta Guarino Reid'" <lorettaguarino@google.com>, "'Detlev Fischer'" <fischer@dias.de>
Cc: <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
Message-ID: <4ebea459.879acc0a.37f2.085d@mx.google.com>
I respectfully remind the group that the crux of the problem with F69 was
the test procedure – specifically our inability to come up with a draft of
that test procedure which made clear that the failure was applicable only
where it failed all relevant technologies, namely text resize and  zoom.
Will someone be working on such a draft before the meeting? If not, we will
probably end up at the same impasse we did last time. 

 

From: Loretta Guarino Reid [mailto:lorettaguarino@google.com] 
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 8:13 PM
To: Detlev Fischer
Cc: w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
Subject: Re: Objection to the deletion of F69

 

ok, let's put this back on the agenda again for next week. Detlev, any
chance you could join us?

On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 8:48 AM, Detlev Fischer <fischer@dias.de> wrote:

Hi WCAG WG,

I learned that after James Nurthen had devised a technique that shows
failure of content to scale under page zoom, the discussion has now
concluded that F69 should be simply dropped.

>From an evaluation standpoint, the failures are of critical importance
since they do not come with the usual disclaimer that "failure to conform
does not mean that the SC is not met"  - a statement that we find under
nearly (?) all tests in techniques, making them difficult to use in a
conclusive evaluation procedure.

So I propose to think twice before deleting failures that provide at least
*some* measure of assessing conformance to success criteria. I can find no
argument why the proposed new example for F69
http://jnurthen.users.sonic.net/resize.html

..is unsuitable to demonstrate a failure of supporting page zoom.  It
'works' in several browsers that I tried it in.

Regards,
Detlev

Quoting Michael Cooper <cooper@w3.org>:

Minutes of the 10 November 2011 WCAG meeting are posted to
http://www.w3.org/2011/11/10-wai-wcag-minutes.html and copied below.


 Web Content Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference


   10 Nov 2011

See also: IRC log <http://www.w3.org/2011/11/10-wai-wcag-irc>


   Attendees

Present
   Katie_Haritos-Shea, Bruce_Bailey, Michael_Cooper, Adam_Solomon,
   Andrew_Kirkpatrick, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Marc_Johlic, jongund,
   James_Nurthen, Gregg_Vanderheiden
Regrets
Chair
   Loretta_Guarino_Reid
Scribe
   AWK


   Contents

   * Topics <http://www.w3.org/2011/11/10-wai-wcag-minutes.html#agenda>
        1. 1. Issue LC-2513: Conflict between alternative options 1-4
           and F69
           <http://www.w3.org/2011/11/10-wai-wcag-minutes.html#item01>
        2. Data table requirements
           <http://www.w3.org/2011/11/10-wai-wcag-minutes.html#item02>
   * Summary of Action Items
     <http://www.w3.org/2011/11/10-wai-wcag-minutes.html#ActionSummary>

------------------------------------------------------------------------

<trackbot> Date: 10 November 2011

<MichaelC> Website Accessibility Evaluation Methodology
<http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/methodology/>


     1. Issue LC-2513: Conflict between alternative options 1-4 and F69

<MichaelC> scribe: AWK

<adam> i am working on my mic - cant hear in the meantime

<scribe> *ACTION:* jamesn to write new technique for 1.4.4 failure for
CSS related to failure related to zoom. [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2011/11/10-wai-wcag-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-166 - Write new technique for 1.4.4 failure
for CSS related to failure related to zoom. [on James Nurthen - due
2011-11-17].

*RESOLUTION: delete F69 and revise response to 2513 to reflect that
decision.*


     Data table requirements

<Loretta> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20111110misc/results

<Loretta> http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/NOTE-WCAG20-TECHS-20101014/H51

*RESOLUTION: Discussion of three table questions with Jon G resulted in
his understanding how the WG interprets WCAG and tables in 1.3.1*


   Summary of Action Items

*[NEW]* *ACTION:* jamesn to write new technique for 1.4.4 failure for
CSS related to failure related to zoom. [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2011/11/10-wai-wcag-minutes.html#action01]

[End of minutes]
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$Date: 2011/11/10 23:06:45 $


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E-mail cooper@w3.org <mailto:cooper@w3.org>
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