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AW: Objection to the deletion of F69

From: Kerstin Probiesch <k.probiesch@googlemail.com>
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 22:33:39 +0100
To: "'Detlev Fischer'" <fischer@dias.de>, <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
Message-ID: <4ebd94a3.82b5cc0a.4463.7589@mx.google.com>
Hi Detlev, 

would you please write in which browsers (incl. version numbers) you have tested the new example for F69 and found it 'working'?

 
Best

Kerstin



> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Detlev Fischer [mailto:fischer@dias.de]
> Gesendet: Freitag, 11. November 2011 17:48
> An: w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
> Betreff: Objection to the deletion of F69
> 
> Hi WCAG WG,
> 
> I learned that after James Nurthen had devised a technique that shows
> failure of content to scale under page zoom, the discussion has now
> concluded that F69 should be simply dropped.
> 
>  From an evaluation standpoint, the failures are of critical
> importance since they do not come with the usual disclaimer that
> "failure to conform does not mean that the SC is not met"  - a
> statement that we find under nearly (?) all tests in techniques,
> making them difficult to use in a conclusive evaluation procedure.
> 
> So I propose to think twice before deleting failures that provide at
> least *some* measure of assessing conformance to success criteria. I
> can find no argument why the proposed new example for F69
> http://jnurthen.users.sonic.net/resize.html
> 
> ..is unsuitable to demonstrate a failure of supporting page zoom.  It
> 'works' in several browsers that I tried it in.
> 
> Regards,
> Detlev
> 
> Quoting Michael Cooper <cooper@w3.org>:
> 
> > Minutes of the 10 November 2011 WCAG meeting are posted to
> > http://www.w3.org/2011/11/10-wai-wcag-minutes.html and copied below.
> >
> >
> >   Web Content Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
> >
> >
> >     10 Nov 2011
> >
> > See also: IRC log <http://www.w3.org/2011/11/10-wai-wcag-irc>
> >
> >
> >     Attendees
> >
> > Present
> >     Katie_Haritos-Shea, Bruce_Bailey, Michael_Cooper, Adam_Solomon,
> >     Andrew_Kirkpatrick, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Marc_Johlic, jongund,
> >     James_Nurthen, Gregg_Vanderheiden
> > Regrets
> > Chair
> >     Loretta_Guarino_Reid
> > Scribe
> >     AWK
> >
> >
> >     Contents
> >
> >     * Topics <http://www.w3.org/2011/11/10-wai-wcag-
> minutes.html#agenda>
> >          1. 1. Issue LC-2513: Conflict between alternative options 1-
> 4
> >             and F69
> >             <http://www.w3.org/2011/11/10-wai-wcag-
> minutes.html#item01>
> >          2. Data table requirements
> >             <http://www.w3.org/2011/11/10-wai-wcag-
> minutes.html#item02>
> >     * Summary of Action Items
> >       <http://www.w3.org/2011/11/10-wai-wcag-
> minutes.html#ActionSummary>
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> ---
> >
> > <trackbot> Date: 10 November 2011
> >
> > <MichaelC> Website Accessibility Evaluation Methodology
> > <http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/methodology/>
> >
> >
> >       1. Issue LC-2513: Conflict between alternative options 1-4 and
> F69
> >
> > <MichaelC> scribe: AWK
> >
> > <adam> i am working on my mic - cant hear in the meantime
> >
> > <scribe> *ACTION:* jamesn to write new technique for 1.4.4 failure
> for
> > CSS related to failure related to zoom. [recorded in
> > http://www.w3.org/2011/11/10-wai-wcag-minutes.html#action01]
> >
> > <trackbot> Created ACTION-166 - Write new technique for 1.4.4 failure
> > for CSS related to failure related to zoom. [on James Nurthen - due
> > 2011-11-17].
> >
> > *RESOLUTION: delete F69 and revise response to 2513 to reflect that
> > decision.*
> >
> >
> >       Data table requirements
> >
> > <Loretta> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20111110misc/results
> >
> > <Loretta> http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/NOTE-WCAG20-TECHS-20101014/H51
> >
> > *RESOLUTION: Discussion of three table questions with Jon G resulted
> in
> > his understanding how the WG interprets WCAG and tables in 1.3.1*
> >
> >
> >     Summary of Action Items
> >
> > *[NEW]* *ACTION:* jamesn to write new technique for 1.4.4 failure for
> > CSS related to failure related to zoom. [recorded in
> > http://www.w3.org/2011/11/10-wai-wcag-minutes.html#action01]
> >
> > [End of minutes]
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> ---
> > Minutes formatted by David Booth's scribe.perl
> > <http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/%7Echeckout%7E/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm>
> > version 1.136 (CVS log <http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/>)
> > $Date: 2011/11/10 23:06:45 $
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Michael Cooper
> > Web Accessibility Specialist
> > World Wide Web Consortium, Web Accessibility Initiative
> > E-mail cooper@w3.org <mailto:cooper@w3.org>
> > Information Page <http://www.w3.org/People/cooper/>
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 
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