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Re: Objection to the deletion of F69

From: Loretta Guarino Reid <lorettaguarino@google.com>
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:13:22 -0800
Message-ID: <CAHu5OWYaaPG6j=OpoQTJkgWW3B=X03QYZvRkorYCbw=oukcYWg@mail.gmail.com>
To: Detlev Fischer <fischer@dias.de>
Cc: w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
ok, let's put this back on the agenda again for next week. Detlev, any
chance you could join us?

On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 8:48 AM, Detlev Fischer <fischer@dias.de> wrote:

> Hi WCAG WG,
>
> I learned that after James Nurthen had devised a technique that shows
> failure of content to scale under page zoom, the discussion has now
> concluded that F69 should be simply dropped.
>
> From an evaluation standpoint, the failures are of critical importance
> since they do not come with the usual disclaimer that "failure to conform
> does not mean that the SC is not met"  - a statement that we find under
> nearly (?) all tests in techniques, making them difficult to use in a
> conclusive evaluation procedure.
>
> So I propose to think twice before deleting failures that provide at least
> *some* measure of assessing conformance to success criteria. I can find no
> argument why the proposed new example for F69
> http://jnurthen.users.sonic.**net/resize.html<http://jnurthen.users.sonic.net/resize.html>
>
> ..is unsuitable to demonstrate a failure of supporting page zoom.  It
> 'works' in several browsers that I tried it in.
>
> Regards,
> Detlev
>
> Quoting Michael Cooper <cooper@w3.org>:
>
>  Minutes of the 10 November 2011 WCAG meeting are posted to
>> http://www.w3.org/2011/11/10-**wai-wcag-minutes.html<http://www.w3.org/2011/11/10-wai-wcag-minutes.html>and copied below.
>>
>>
>>  Web Content Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
>>
>>
>>    10 Nov 2011
>>
>> See also: IRC log <http://www.w3.org/2011/11/10-**wai-wcag-irc<http://www.w3.org/2011/11/10-wai-wcag-irc>
>> >
>>
>>
>>    Attendees
>>
>> Present
>>    Katie_Haritos-Shea, Bruce_Bailey, Michael_Cooper, Adam_Solomon,
>>    Andrew_Kirkpatrick, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Marc_Johlic, jongund,
>>    James_Nurthen, Gregg_Vanderheiden
>> Regrets
>> Chair
>>    Loretta_Guarino_Reid
>> Scribe
>>    AWK
>>
>>
>>    Contents
>>
>>    * Topics <http://www.w3.org/2011/11/10-**wai-wcag-minutes.html#agenda<http://www.w3.org/2011/11/10-wai-wcag-minutes.html#agenda>
>> >
>>         1. 1. Issue LC-2513: Conflict between alternative options 1-4
>>            and F69
>>            <http://www.w3.org/2011/11/10-**wai-wcag-minutes.html#item01<http://www.w3.org/2011/11/10-wai-wcag-minutes.html#item01>
>> >
>>         2. Data table requirements
>>            <http://www.w3.org/2011/11/10-**wai-wcag-minutes.html#item02<http://www.w3.org/2011/11/10-wai-wcag-minutes.html#item02>
>> >
>>    * Summary of Action Items
>>      <http://www.w3.org/2011/11/10-**wai-wcag-minutes.html#**
>> ActionSummary<http://www.w3.org/2011/11/10-wai-wcag-minutes.html#ActionSummary>
>> >
>>
>> ------------------------------**------------------------------**
>> ------------
>>
>> <trackbot> Date: 10 November 2011
>>
>> <MichaelC> Website Accessibility Evaluation Methodology
>> <http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/**methodology/<http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/methodology/>
>> >
>>
>>
>>      1. Issue LC-2513: Conflict between alternative options 1-4 and F69
>>
>> <MichaelC> scribe: AWK
>>
>> <adam> i am working on my mic - cant hear in the meantime
>>
>> <scribe> *ACTION:* jamesn to write new technique for 1.4.4 failure for
>> CSS related to failure related to zoom. [recorded in
>> http://www.w3.org/2011/11/10-**wai-wcag-minutes.html#action01<http://www.w3.org/2011/11/10-wai-wcag-minutes.html#action01>
>> **]
>>
>> <trackbot> Created ACTION-166 - Write new technique for 1.4.4 failure
>> for CSS related to failure related to zoom. [on James Nurthen - due
>> 2011-11-17].
>>
>> *RESOLUTION: delete F69 and revise response to 2513 to reflect that
>> decision.*
>>
>>
>>      Data table requirements
>>
>> <Loretta> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/**35422/20111110misc/results<http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20111110misc/results>
>>
>> <Loretta> http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/**NOTE-WCAG20-TECHS-20101014/H51<http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/NOTE-WCAG20-TECHS-20101014/H51>
>>
>> *RESOLUTION: Discussion of three table questions with Jon G resulted in
>> his understanding how the WG interprets WCAG and tables in 1.3.1*
>>
>>
>>    Summary of Action Items
>>
>> *[NEW]* *ACTION:* jamesn to write new technique for 1.4.4 failure for
>> CSS related to failure related to zoom. [recorded in
>> http://www.w3.org/2011/11/10-**wai-wcag-minutes.html#action01<http://www.w3.org/2011/11/10-wai-wcag-minutes.html#action01>
>> **]
>>
>> [End of minutes]
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>> $Date: 2011/11/10 23:06:45 $
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Michael Cooper
>> Web Accessibility Specialist
>> World Wide Web Consortium, Web Accessibility Initiative
>> E-mail cooper@w3.org <mailto:cooper@w3.org>
>> Information Page <http://www.w3.org/People/**cooper/<http://www.w3.org/People/cooper/>
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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