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Re: Objection to the deletion of F69

From: Katie Haritos-Shea <ryladog@earthlink.net>
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 11:57:15 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
Message-ID: <17461040.1321030635928.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
To: Detlev Fischer <fischer@dias.de>, w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
Detlev,

Thank you. I agree with this stance, as I indicated on the survey. I think it is useful.

Katie

-----Original Message-----
>From: Detlev Fischer <fischer@dias.de>
>Sent: Nov 11, 2011 11:48 AM
>To: w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
>Subject: Objection to the deletion of F69
>
>Hi WCAG WG,
>
>I learned that after James Nurthen had devised a technique that shows  
>failure of content to scale under page zoom, the discussion has now  
>concluded that F69 should be simply dropped.
>
> From an evaluation standpoint, the failures are of critical  
>importance since they do not come with the usual disclaimer that  
>"failure to conform does not mean that the SC is not met"  - a  
>statement that we find under nearly (?) all tests in techniques,  
>making them difficult to use in a conclusive evaluation procedure.
>
>So I propose to think twice before deleting failures that provide at  
>least *some* measure of assessing conformance to success criteria. I  
>can find no argument why the proposed new example for F69
>http://jnurthen.users.sonic.net/resize.html
>
>..is unsuitable to demonstrate a failure of supporting page zoom.  It  
>'works' in several browsers that I tried it in.
>
>Regards,
>Detlev
>
>Quoting Michael Cooper <cooper@w3.org>:
>
>> Minutes of the 10 November 2011 WCAG meeting are posted to
>> http://www.w3.org/2011/11/10-wai-wcag-minutes.html and copied below.
>>
>>
>>   Web Content Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
>>
>>
>>     10 Nov 2011
>>
>> See also: IRC log <http://www.w3.org/2011/11/10-wai-wcag-irc>
>>
>>
>>     Attendees
>>
>> Present
>>     Katie_Haritos-Shea, Bruce_Bailey, Michael_Cooper, Adam_Solomon,
>>     Andrew_Kirkpatrick, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Marc_Johlic, jongund,
>>     James_Nurthen, Gregg_Vanderheiden
>> Regrets
>> Chair
>>     Loretta_Guarino_Reid
>> Scribe
>>     AWK
>>
>>
>>     Contents
>>
>>     * Topics <http://www.w3.org/2011/11/10-wai-wcag-minutes.html#agenda>
>>          1. 1. Issue LC-2513: Conflict between alternative options 1-4
>>             and F69
>>             <http://www.w3.org/2011/11/10-wai-wcag-minutes.html#item01>
>>          2. Data table requirements
>>             <http://www.w3.org/2011/11/10-wai-wcag-minutes.html#item02>
>>     * Summary of Action Items
>>       <http://www.w3.org/2011/11/10-wai-wcag-minutes.html#ActionSummary>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> <trackbot> Date: 10 November 2011
>>
>> <MichaelC> Website Accessibility Evaluation Methodology
>> <http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/methodology/>
>>
>>
>>       1. Issue LC-2513: Conflict between alternative options 1-4 and F69
>>
>> <MichaelC> scribe: AWK
>>
>> <adam> i am working on my mic - cant hear in the meantime
>>
>> <scribe> *ACTION:* jamesn to write new technique for 1.4.4 failure for
>> CSS related to failure related to zoom. [recorded in
>> http://www.w3.org/2011/11/10-wai-wcag-minutes.html#action01]
>>
>> <trackbot> Created ACTION-166 - Write new technique for 1.4.4 failure
>> for CSS related to failure related to zoom. [on James Nurthen - due
>> 2011-11-17].
>>
>> *RESOLUTION: delete F69 and revise response to 2513 to reflect that
>> decision.*
>>
>>
>>       Data table requirements
>>
>> <Loretta> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20111110misc/results
>>
>> <Loretta> http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/NOTE-WCAG20-TECHS-20101014/H51
>>
>> *RESOLUTION: Discussion of three table questions with Jon G resulted in
>> his understanding how the WG interprets WCAG and tables in 1.3.1*
>>
>>
>>     Summary of Action Items
>>
>> *[NEW]* *ACTION:* jamesn to write new technique for 1.4.4 failure for
>> CSS related to failure related to zoom. [recorded in
>> http://www.w3.org/2011/11/10-wai-wcag-minutes.html#action01]
>>
>> [End of minutes]
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Minutes formatted by David Booth's scribe.perl
>> <http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/%7Echeckout%7E/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm>
>> version 1.136 (CVS log <http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/>)
>> $Date: 2011/11/10 23:06:45 $
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Michael Cooper
>> Web Accessibility Specialist
>> World Wide Web Consortium, Web Accessibility Initiative
>> E-mail cooper@w3.org <mailto:cooper@w3.org>
>> Information Page <http://www.w3.org/People/cooper/>
>>
>>
>
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* katie *

Katie Haritos-Shea 
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