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Re: Audio Descriptions for Talking Heads

From: Loretta Guarino Reid <lorettaguarino@google.com>
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 17:13:47 -0700
Message-ID: <BANLkTinjyeoRKssDeSbSRXz-fAaA5fvkcfemTs3K=qbEB9PeMw@mail.gmail.com>
To: Gregg Vanderheiden <gv@trace.wisc.edu>
Cc: David MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca>, WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>, Nicholas Reville <npr@pculture.org>
On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Gregg Vanderheiden <gv@trace.wisc.edu>wrote:

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> On Jun 20, 2011, at 1:39 PM, Loretta Guarino Reid wrote:
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> It sure seems to me that this kind of information doesn't need to be
> synchronized.
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> right -but if not in the video - it is unlikely to travel with the video
>

Yes, but this is a different issue than whether the page meets WCAG
requirements.

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> And a tool that added it to the beginning of a video would need to be very
> careful that it fixed up all the timestamps in any captions for the video.
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> I was thinking it would just overlay / mix with the audio there so there
> would not be need for retiming.
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Then it will need to be added to the captions, right? Either way, you'll
need to be careful of the captions.


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> Wouldn't it suffice to set the stage in text associated with the video?
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> Not really as good.  Doesn’t meet guidelines - and won't travel with the
> media.  but might work for a particular page....
>

 I'm inclined to agree with David that a solution like this should meet WCAG
for talking heads type videos. If all the visual information needed about a
video is contained in the descriptive identification required by SC 1.1.1,
and no synchronization is required, I think the Audio Description shouldn't
be necessary. No?



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> Loretta
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> On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Gregg Vanderheiden <gv@trace.wisc.edu>wrote:
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>> Hi David,
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>> if there is a talking head - then there usually isn't any space for
>> description anyway.
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>> Also - the point is to allow a person who is blind to access key visual
>> information.
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>> On key part IS the front end of the video where they usually have an
>> identification of the speaker.  OR during the video - where they overlay the
>> screen with text identifying the speaker.
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>> It would be good to get audio into those places if there is a pause in the
>> regular audio.
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>> I think this is a  GREAT place for an online tool (or free downloadable
>> tool) that would allow people to add a few short descriptions to a video for
>> these types of situations.   It would not have to be done by "talent" if non
>> - commercial.
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>> we also should work more on "closed description" mechanism which should be
>> easy in IP to allow video description to be available on request.
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>> This is what GPII is all about  (http://raisingthefloor.org  and
>> http://GPII.net)
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>> I also added Nicholas Reville < npr@pculture.org> to this posting.
>>  Nicholas and "Universal Subtitles"   (
>> http://www.universalsubtitles.org/en/) is spearheading this aspect of
>> GPII)
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>>   *Gregg*
>> --------------------------------------------------------
>> Gregg Vanderheiden Ph.D.
>> Director Trace R&D Center
>> Professor Industrial & Systems Engineering
>> and Biomedical Engineering
>> University of Wisconsin-Madison
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>> Co-Director, Raising the Floor - International
>> and the Global Public Inclusive Infrastructure Project
>> http://Raisingthefloor.org   ---   http://GPII.net
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>> On Jun 18, 2011, at 10:01 AM, David MacDonald wrote:
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>> I’ve been coming across a lot of this lately, and don’t really know what
>> to do about it... we have a requirement for audio descriptions... but 95% of
>> all video on Government and corporate sites are just talking heads, like a
>> message from the CEO, or from the marketing manager, or from the Minister,
>> where he’s just talking in front of a non-consequential background.****
>> ** **
>> Honestly, it seems extraneous to require these videos to be audio
>> described which can cost thousands of dollars, and provides almost zero
>> value for a person who is blind...****
>> ** **
>> We could I guess get a voice overdub at the front that says... “the
>> minister speaking in his office, with a flag in the background” ... but I
>> almost wish we had some kind of an exception for these videos of talking
>> heads... it would cost a thousand bucks for that line, (unless there is some
>> kind of internal production facility).****
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>> Thoughts?****
>> ** **
>> David MacDonald****
>> www.eramp.com****
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