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RE: the q element

From: David MacDonald <befree@magma.ca>
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 18:48:48 -0400
To: "'Gregg Vanderheiden'" <gv@trace.wisc.edu>, "'WCAG'" <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
Message-ID: <000401c6c318$793b03e0$650fa8c0@home>
Catherine Roy pointed out that in French there should be a space between
quotation marks and the text they surround. JAWS in French has no problem
with a space between the quotation marks and the text they surround. I just
did a test in English also. And JAWS 7.10 doesn't seem to have any problem
if I put a space between the " and the text it surrounds. 


For instance, the sentence:


            John said "It is cold today."


Reads the same in JAWS as


John said " It is cold today."


They both read as john said [quote] it is a cold day [quote][period]




Therefore, I would like to recommend a sufficient technique 


"Using quotation marks to markup quotations"


And I also have no objection a sufficient technique


"Using the <Q> element to markup quotations"

And we would show how to do the CSS hack to accommodate different browsers
as discussed on the call..






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From: w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org] On Behalf
Of Gregg Vanderheiden
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 2:02 PM
To: 'David MacDonald'; 'WCAG'
Subject: RE: the q element


If we go this way - instead of a failure we could just make the 'lack of
space' part of what is needed for it to be sufficient. 


"Using quotation marks without any intervening space..."  



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From: w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org] On Behalf
Of David MacDonald
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 12:12 PM
To: 'WCAG'
Subject: the q element

On Thursday's call we discussed the <Q> element with some CSS styling to
accommodate different renderings in different browsers.


There was concern that making it a sufficient technique would create the
impression that just using quotes, (i.e  John said, "I am hungry")

 would not be sufficient. Cynthia offered the suggestion that perhaps we
should simply make using the quotation characters ("") around a quotation as
a sufficient technique also so that people will know its ok to use them.
Someone said that we can't do that because if the web master puts a space
after the quote (i.e., John said, " I am hungry")  it will mess up the
Screen Reader.


I think we can easily address that concern. We introduce a failure technique
that says: 


Failure: placing spaces between quotation marks and the text they are


Then we could use Cynthia's suggestion, and make using quotation marks a
sufficient way to mark up quotations,


 *and* we could make sufficient technique that says using the <Q> element
with CSS would be another way to meet the SC.







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