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Describing the delivery unit in text immediately preceding the programmatic reference

From: David MacDonald <befree@magma.ca>
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 19:28:24 -0500
To: <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
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I am sorry I was in the air from Guatemala during Thursday's call. I feel
like I let my blind friends down.

I do not think we should add the SC 2.4.9. I don't think it will do any
good, except for put an "in your face" message to web masters that they
*don't* have to use descriptive link text in 2.4.5.

I don't think we should use HTML examples of undescriptive link text in an
array of links Technique: http://tinyurl.com/qu5sf  

when it is easy to use descriptive link text.

***Either with hidden text. 
http://www.eramp.com/david/testhide.html 

***or with 1px images that have alt text (as Cynthia showed).
 
[name of book as a link], [PDF version], [Doc version]
<a href="book.htm">Name of book</a>, <a href="book.pdf"><img
src="1px-clear.gif" alt="Name of book">PDF Version</a>, <a
href="book.doc"><img src="1px-clear.gif" alt="Name of book">Doc Version</a>

***Or simply with images that have alt text 

***Or even by putting the array in a table. Where the Title of the book is
in the left column and the headings above say HTML, PDF etc....

I think we are just trying to give web masters and excuse to use
undescriptive link text. They will say "hey its ok to use undescriptive link
in HTML... see, the WCAG did it in an example." And they will do this not
only on arrays. We are fostering a culture of undescriptive text.

I think we should just stay silent on HTML undescriptive link examples.

I think we are just moving further and further away from accessibility every
time we revise this and every time we try to create an HTML example of
undescriptive link text.

If I have to live with this I will...but I feel like I let my blind friends
down and I think we are making the web a much more miserable place for
screen reader users. 

David 

www.eramp.com 






New SC 2.4.9:
How To Meet SC 2.4.9: http://tinyurl.com/otk9m 







-----Original Message-----
From: Loretta Guarino Reid [mailto:lguarino@adobe.com] 
Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 3:51 PM
To: Michael D. Lawler; Yvette Hoitink; Gregg Vanderheiden; 'Ben Caldwell';
Tim Boland; David MacDonald; Roberto Castaldo
Subject: Comments on : Describing the delivery unit in text immediately
preceding the programmatic reference

This SC has been replaced by a new SC: Identifying the unique function of a
link using any combination of text associated with the link, text
immediately before the link, and text immediately after the link. In
addition, we have added a new level 3 SC: The unique function of each link
can be programmatically determined from the link.

Could you let us know whether these changes have addressed your comments?

Loretta

Identifying the unique function of a link using any combination of text
associated with the link, text immediately before the link, and text
immediately after the link
Technique: http://tinyurl.com/qu5sf
Survey: http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/gl24feb16/results#xsc245txt

New SC 2.4.9:
How To Meet SC 2.4.9: http://tinyurl.com/otk9m
Received on Monday, 13 March 2006 00:28:31 GMT

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