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RE: New Caption Definition - please comment

From: Yvette Hoitink <y.p.hoitink@heritas.nl>
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 12:17:38 +0100
To: "'Roberto Scano (IWA/HWG)'" <rscano@iwa-italy.org>, ueki@infoaxia.co.jp, w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
Message-id: <005001c63c58$95333eb0$d200a8c0@heritas.local>

In the Netherlands, we use 'ondertitels' ('subtitels') for both subtitles
and captions, sometimes the more specific 'ondertitels voor doven en
slechthorenden' ('subtitles for deaf and hard of hearing') is used for
captions.

Subtitles are typically used for content in a foreign language and subtitles
for deaf and hard of hearing are typically used for Dutch content. Because
of this, often 'subtitles' is used for captions for Dutch content because
people will tend to understand that they are for people who are deaf or hard
of hearing. 

In the Netherlands, subtitles for deaf and hard of hearing usually use
different color fonts to signal a change of speakers. Since that would
violate our guidelines about using color to convey information, we may want
to address that in the techniques somewhere.

Yvette Hoitink
Heritas, Alphen aan den Rijn, the Netherlands
E-mail: y.p.hoitink@heritas.nl
WWW: http://www.heritas.nl 

> 
> Also in iraly we use always "subtitle" for both.
> 
> ----- Messaggio originale -----
>     Da: "Makoto UEKI  - Infoaxia, Inc. -"<ueki@infoaxia.co.jp>
>     Inviato: 26/02/06 23.03.39
>     A: "w3c-wai-gl@w3.org"<w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
>     Oggetto: Re: New Caption Definition - please comment
>     
>     
>     Hello Gregg,
>     
>     In Japan, both subtitles and captions are translated into 
> the same word
>     "Ji maku" in general. On the other hand, each word can be used by
>     Katakana as is without being translated. We use Katakana 
> for a word of
>     foreign origin. It'll work for "Subtitles" and "Captions".
>     
>     But we need to add the brief explanation such as 
> "Subtitles (dialog only)"
>     and "Captions (dialog and sounds and possibly speaker ID)" in the
>     document in order to avoid the confusion. The difference 
> between "Subtitles" and "Captions"
>     is not known well in Japan. We tend to confuse them.
>     
>     
>     Cheers,
>     Makoto
>     
>     
>     On Sun, 26 Feb 2006 15:35:35 -0600
>     "Gregg Vanderheiden" <gv@trace.wisc.edu> wrote:
>     
>     > 
>     > What other countries use the English word "subtitle" or 
> "caption"
>     > 
>     > I presume they have their own words and it would be 
> chauvinistic to say that
>     > they use these words when they use translations of them.
>     > 
>     > If they do indeed use these words - we could change it. 
>  just didn't want to
>     > cross the line and  didn't know of any others that used 
> the terms.
>     > 
>     > Everyone- 
>     > 
>     > Please let me know for your country
>     > 
>     > What word do you use for 
>     > Subtitles   (dialog only)
>     > Captions    (dialog and sounds and possibly speaker ID)   
>     > 
>     > Thanks.
>     > 
>     > 
>     > Gregg
>     > 
>     >  -- ------------------------------ 
>     > Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D. 
>     > Professor - Ind. Engr. & BioMed Engr.
>     > Director - Trace R & D Center 
>     > University of Wisconsin-Madison 
>     > The Player for my DSS sound file is at http://tinyurl.com/dho6b 
>     > 
>     > -----Original Message-----
>     > From: w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org 
> [mailto:w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org] On Behalf
>     > Of Roberto Scano - IWA/HWG
>     > Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 3:18 AM
>     > To: 'Yvette Hoitink'; 'Gregg Vanderheiden'; w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
>     > Subject: RE: New Caption Definition - please comment
>     > 
>     > 
>     > I will love to remove the name of the countries using a 
> more general note:
>     > 
>     > NOTE: In some countries the term "subtitle" is used to 
> refer to captions. In
>     > other countries "subtitle" is used for dialog only, and 
> captions is used as
>     > the term for dialog plus sounds and sometimes speaker 
> identification. 
>     > 
>     
>     
> 
> [Messaggio troncato. Toccare Modifica->Segna per il download 
> per recuperare la restante parte.]
> 
> 
Received on Tuesday, 28 February 2006 11:17:57 GMT

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