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RE: parent child relationships in Wiki

From: Gregg Vanderheiden <gv@trace.wisc.edu>
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 14:04:39 -0600
To: "'David MacDonald'" <befree@magma.ca>, "'WCAG'" <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
Message-ID: <00ee01c622b3$bdf57bb0$ee8cfea9@NC6000BAK>
Would it be safe to say under that Situation A and B there are <H5> general
techniques only, and if there are no 

Situation A, B sections in a SC it is because there are no Sufficient
Technology Independent Techniques?

 

David MacDonald

 

 

Not quite.    It isn't structured that way.   In the sufficient section
there are general techniques and inclusion statements for technology
specific techniques that are listed below.    This is true whether there are
Situations for not. 

 


Gregg

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Professor - Ind. Engr. & BioMed Engr.
Director - Trace R & D Center 
University of Wisconsin-Madison 

 

 


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From: w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org] On Behalf
Of David MacDonald
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 5:10 AM
To: 'Gregg Vanderheiden'; 'WCAG'
Subject: RE: parent child relationships in Wiki

Would it be safe to say under that Situation A and B there are <H5> general
techniques only, and if there are no Situation A, B sections in a SC it is
because there are no Sufficient Technology Independent Techniques?

 

David MacDonald

.Access empowers people
            .barriers disable them.

www.eramp.com


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From: w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org] On Behalf
Of Gregg Vanderheiden
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 10:53 PM
To: 'WCAG'
Subject: RE: parent child relationships in Wiki

 

 Here is the layout

 

Gregg

 

 

<H2>How to Meet Success Criterion X.X.X   

 <H3>Key Terms 

<H3>Intent of this success criterion  

            <H3>Techniques for Addressing Success Criterion x.x.x 


<H4>Situation A: xxxxxx


<H4>Situation B: yyyyy


<H4>Technology-Specific Techniques 

<H5>HTML

<H5>CSS

<H5>Xxxxx

<H4>Common Failures Identified by the Working Group 

<H4>Optional Techniques (Advisory) for x.x.x

<H5>General Techniques

<H5>HTML

<H5>Xxxxx

<H3>Benefits: How Success Criterion x.x.x helps people with disabilities 

<H3>Examples of Success Criterion x.x.x

<H3>Related resources 

 

 


Gregg

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Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D. 
Professor - Ind. Engr. & BioMed Engr.
Director - Trace R & D Center 
University of Wisconsin-Madison 

 

 


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From: w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org] On Behalf
Of David MacDonald
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 1:35 PM
To: 'Loretta Guarino Reid'; 'Gregg Vanderheiden'; 'WCAG'
Subject: parent child relationships in Wiki

Is there a definitive layout for the "How to Meet" doc. 

 

i.e.

 

Success_Criteria

<key_terms>

<intent>

<examples>

<sufficient_techniques>

            <technology_independent>

            <HTML>

            <CSS>

            <more .>

            <common_failures>

<optional_techniques>

            <technology_independent>

            <HTML>

            <CSS>

            <more .>

<benefits>

<examples>

<related_resourses>

 

If this heading order is wrong or the parent child relationships are wrong,
could someone correct it and post it to the list? I think it will be helpful
to have something clearly laid out for everyone to see.

 

I went through the WIKI and found the following:

 

These have HTML headings in both the Sufficient and Optional sections:

 

http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=How_to_Meet_Success_Criterio
n_1.1.1

http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=How_to_Meet_Success_Criterio
n_1.1.3

http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=How_to_Meet_Success_Criterio
n_1.1.4

http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=How_to_Meet_Success_Criterio
n_2.4.4

http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=How_to_Meet_Success_Criterio
n_3.1.1

 

These have SMIL headings in both Sufficient and Optional sections:

http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=How_to_Meet_Success_Criterio
n_1.2.1

 

This has CSS in both the Sufficient and optional sections:

http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=How_to_Meet_Success_Criterio
n_1.3.2

 

The Following have Situation A, Situation B headings but the other
techniques don't:

http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=How_to_Meet_Success_Criterio
n_1.1.1

http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=How_to_Meet_Success_Criterio
n_1.1.3

http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=How_to_Meet_Success_Criterio
n_1.3.2

http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=How_to_Meet_Success_Criterio
n_1.3.4

http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=How_to_Meet_Success_Criterio
n_2.5.1

http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=How_to_Meet_Success_Criterio
n_2.5.2

http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=How_to_Meet_Success_Criterio
n_2.5.3

http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=How_to_Meet_Success_Criterio
n_2.5.4

http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=How_to_Meet_Success_Criterio
n_3.1.1

http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=How_to_Meet_Success_Criterio
n_3.1.2

http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=How_to_Meet_Success_Criterio
n_3.1.5

 

 

I'm OK with looking at it later.but I don't understand the outline as it
stands right now. 

 

I don't think we should put the technology independent techniques in the
optional section because many of them are not optional.

 

.Access empowers people
            .barriers disable them.

www.eramp.com


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From: Loretta Guarino Reid [mailto:lguarino@adobe.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 1:16 PM
To: David MacDonald; 'Gregg Vanderheiden'; WCAG
Subject: Re: Need to have a "technology independent" heading in the GL

 

I don't understand why you think the current organization lacks of clarity.

Adding additional layers of labels makes it even harder to understand the
relationships between the different pieces. It just adds one more "link" to
follow before you finally reach the information about the technique.

Can't we just add technology independent techniques to the optional section,
before the technology-specific subsections? 


On 1/25/06 10:05 AM, "David MacDonald" <befree@magma.ca> wrote:


We have headings for HTML and CSS techniques in both the sufficient and
optional sections. Why not have "Technology Independent Techniques" headings
in both the sufficient and optional sections? I think clarity is more
important than duplicate duplications.
 
Cheers
David MacDonald
 

.Access empowers people
           .barriers disable them.
www.eramp.com  <http://www.eramp.com> <http://www.eramp.com> 


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From: Gregg Vanderheiden [mailto:gv@trace.wisc.edu]
<mailto:gv@trace.wisc.edu%5d>  
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 12:35 PM
To: 'David MacDonald'; w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
Subject: RE: Need to have a "technology independent" heading in the GL



The tech indep show up in two places.
 
Either - in a sufficiency statement 
Or - in an advisory area.
 
 
We used to have the sufficient ones listed just after the sufficiency
section but it seemed so redundant that we removed it. 
 
Anything that is a link in the sufficient section is a tech indep technique.

 
Having a section for them seemed to make sense but . can't figure out how to
do it without having duplication repetitively in a duplicative fashion.  



Gregg

 -- ------------------------------ 
Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D. 
Professor - Ind. Engr. & BioMed Engr.
Director - Trace R & D Center 
University of Wisconsin-Madison 


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From: w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org]
<mailto:w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org%5d>  On Behalf Of David MacDonald
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 4:23 PM
To: w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
Subject: Need to have a "technology independent" heading in the GL
In the "How to meet." Document, I think we need to have a "Technology
Independent" heading in the techniques. I don't think it is clear if we just
have some general techniques with no heading followed by a heading that says
"Technology-Specific".
 
Regards
David MacDonald
 
.Access empowers people
           .barriers disable them.
www.eramp.com  <http://www.eramp.com> <http://www.eramp.com> 

 

 
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