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Re: technique to overcome meaningful link text

From: <donaldfevans@aol.com>
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 12:40:44 -0500
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Span works too.  We prefer B because it is 3 characters less then span.  6 characters by the time you close the tag.  When you serve millions of page views, you save every byte you can.
 
But I don't agree with the premise that B is a visual element and should not be used simply because it is a visual element.  It's a tag just like all the rest  That's like saying an H is a visual element and shouldn't be used to convey information to a screen reader.
 
I would agree that B is not symantic and in xhtml should not be used but rather should be styled in the CSS, therefore; the span is a better choice.  But basically 6 one way and half a dozen the other.
 
 Donald F. Evans
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From: John M Slatin <john_slatin@austin.utexas.edu>
To: Roberto Scano (IWA/HWG) <rscano@iwa-italy.org>; donaldfevans@aol.com; lguarino@adobe.com; befree@magma.ca; w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
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Subject: RE: technique to overcome meaningful link text



Roberto suggests using <span>.  This is what UT Austin is doing on the
new home page (not yet public):

<code>
        <label for="scope" ><span
class="nodisplaytext">scope</span></label>
</code> 

This seems to work with JAWS 7.0 and IE 6.0.  It also seems to work with
JAWS 7.0 and Firefox 1.5.

John


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Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 10:48 am
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Subject: Re: technique to overcome meaningful link text


This is an incorrect use of b element due that b is used for set bold
text (visual information). Have bold as hidden hasn't sense. Instead
eventually use span.

----- Messaggio originale -----
    Da: "donaldfevans@aol.com"<donaldfevans@aol.com>
    Inviato: 13/01/06 16.58.23
    A: "lguarino@adobe.com"<lguarino@adobe.com>,
"befree@magma.ca"<befree@magma.ca>,
"w3c-wai-gl@w3.org"<w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
    Oggetto: Re: technique to overcome meaningful link text
    
    I find this works well.
     
    <style type="text/css">
    a b.hidden {
    height: 1px;
    width: 1px;
    position: absolute;
    overflow: hidden;
    top: -10px;
    }
    </style>
    <a href="#">Edit <b class="hidden">Hidden Information</b></a>
    
     
     Donald F. Evans 
    donaldfevans@aol.com
    (703) 265-5952
     
     
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Loretta Guarino Reid <lguarino@adobe.com>
    To: David MacDonald <befree@magma.ca>; WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
    Sent: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 07:43:04 -0800
    Subject: Re: technique to overcome meaningful link text
    
    
    As a technique, I don't really like this much. Images of text can't
satisfy lots of UA requirements for text, like the ability to resize the
text or control the font used.
    
    Fundamentally, though, I get the sense that the group is converging
on requiring meaningful link text, directly associated with the link,
not in its  surrounding context. We would opt for having a verbose
reading of the links as the page is being read (which is what would
happen with this technique).
    
    In that case, shouldn't we recommend using the title of the link to
specify the complete text? (In PDF, we can provide Alt text for the
link, but we need an HTML technique, too). AT would need to provide an
option to use the title text in lists of links, to make this most
effective.
    
    Loretta
    
    
    On 1/12/06 4:06 PM, "David MacDonald" <befree@magma.ca> wrote:
    
    
    
    I think this technique (below) could also be used for single word
links like "more" and "click here" in those instances when one word
links might be appropriate. 
     
    If this is ok with the group I think we could overcome the
"justified" exceptions for meaningful links.
     
    This is a proposed technique for how to create meaningful link text
for SC 2.4.5. when there is an array of links to multiple versions of
the same conte    

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