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RE: SC 2.4.5, meaningful link text

From: David MacDonald <befree@magma.ca>
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 09:03:51 -0500
Message-Id: <200601021403.k02E3s5s005039@mail3.magma.ca>
To: "'Gregg Vanderheiden'" <gv@trace.wisc.edu>, <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
At the risk of arguing against myself, I had just put forward the "more"
example as a possible exception because I've heard it mentioned, and I want
to make sure I looked at the issue from all angles. Having done that, I will
argue against the "more" link to say that most vision impaired people do not
want it allowed, because it puts them at a disadvantage. Sighted people can
scan a page and easily select the "more" link they want. Meaningful link
text allows blind people to do this.

 

So unless someone else comes up with another example of a good exception to
meaningful text, I would say this should be entry in SC 2.4.5 how to meet.

 

"Provide meaningful link text, unless the link is part of an array of links
to different versions (or views) of the same information."  

 

Then we don't get into the list of exceptions.

 

David MacDonald

 

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From: w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org] On Behalf
Of Gregg Vanderheiden
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 1:04 AM
To: 'David MacDonald'; w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
Subject: RE: SC 2.4.5, meaningful link text

 

This starts getting us into a list.   Is there some way to characterize
these so that we don't have to do a list.     What is it about these two
(and perhaps others) that makes them exceptions?

 


Gregg

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Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D. 
Professor - Ind. Engr. & BioMed Engr.
Director - Trace R & D Center 
University of Wisconsin-Madison 

 

 


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From: w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org] On Behalf
Of David MacDonald
Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 9:48 AM
To: 'Gregg Vanderheiden'; w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
Subject: RE: SC 2.4.5, meaningful link text

The other possibility is newspaper home pages that have story summaries
followed by a link "more". Blind users would like meaningful text on these
pages but I think some accessibility people might think a case could be made
for this exception. If we allowed this exception (which I don't particularly
recommend) the intent section might look something like this.

 

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Provide meaningful link text, unless:

-the link is part of an array of links to different versions (or views) of
the same information.

-it is a link to the full text of a summary and the link comes directly
after this summary.

--------------------------------

 

My preference would be this:

"Provide meaningful link text, unless the link is part of an array of links
to different versions (or views) of the same information."  

 

 

 

 

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            .barriers disable them.

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From: w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org] On Behalf
Of Gregg Vanderheiden
Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 1:18 AM
To: 'David MacDonald'; w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
Subject: RE: SC 2.4.5, meaningful link text

 

This looks good and gets around one of the big dilemmas on this.   

 

I think this is a workable solution unless people can think of other
conflicts.   I am still concerned that there might be more.  Anyone know of
any?

 

Should we proceed in this manner?

 

Team B has this guideline - so I will refer this to that team.  


Gregg

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Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D. 
Professor - Ind. Engr. & BioMed Engr.
Director - Trace R & D Center 
University of Wisconsin-Madison 

 

 


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From: w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org] On Behalf
Of David MacDonald
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 4:43 PM
To: 'David MacDonald'; w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
Subject: SC 2.4.5, meaningful link text

I think the following line would a little better for SC 2.4.5 how to meet.

 

"Provide meaningful link text, unless the link is part of an array of links
to different versions (or views) of the same information."  

 

David MacDonald

 

.Access empowers people
            .barriers disable them.

www.eramp.com


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From: w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org] On Behalf
Of David MacDonald
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 5:30 PM
To: w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
Subject: SC 2.4.5, meaningful link text

 

This is a response to the editorial note asking for comments, in
"Understanding WCAG" Doc, How to Meet Success Criterion 2.4.5" . 

 

The note gives an example of when meaningful link text might not be
desirable. I agree with this example. When there are several links to
different versions of the same document it is perhaps not desirable to have
meaningful link text. On the other hand, there is a strong sentiment among
screen reader users that I polled when doing some research for this issue,
that meaningful link text is extremely important. There is a good case to be
made that giving screen readers meaningful link text is compensating for
something that sighted users do naturally, skim through links. The screen
reader users I polled think this is a very important issue.

 

I suggest something like the following:

 

"Provide meaningful link text, unless the link is part of an array of links
to different versions of the same document."  

 

Happy New Year

 

David MacDonald 

 

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            .barriers disable them.

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