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RE: Does order affect meaning (was: NEW: Issue #1609)

From: John M Slatin <john_slatin@austin.utexas.edu>
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 09:07:00 -0500
Message-ID: <6EED8F7006A883459D4818686BCE3B3B01C3F10B@MAIL01.austin.utexas.edu>
To: "Christophe Strobbe" <christophe.strobbe@esat.kuleuven.be>, <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>

Christophe wrote:

<blockquote>
Greg Lowney says he can't think of real-world examples where reordering
the 
contents would not affect their meaning. However, this depends on the
level 
you are considering: a set of delivery units, single delivery units or
even 
lower levels. Ordering is important for the main content of a delivery 
unit, but some content does not have a logical order relation with
regard 
to the main flow, e.g. sidebars are concurrent to the main flow, and 
reordering them does not affect the meaning.

At the sentence level, the situation is obviously very different.
Consider 
for example the differences between:
- Only I hit him on the eye.
- I only hit him on the eye.
- I hit him only on the eye.
- I hit him on the eye only.

</blockquote>

Thanks for this excellent clarification, Christophe. 
John
"Good design is accessible design."

Dr. John M. Slatin, Director 
Accessibility Institute
University of Texas at Austin 
FAC 248C 
1 University Station G9600 
Austin, TX 78712 
ph 512-495-4288, fax 512-495-4524 
email jslatin@mail.utexas.edu 
Web http://www.utexas.edu/research/accessibility 



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Subject: Does order affect meaning (was: NEW: Issue #1609)



At 06:52 24/08/2005, bugzilla@webby.trace.wisc.edu wrote:

>[This e-mail has been automatically generated. The following NEW issue 
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>added
>to Bugzilla earlier today.]
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>   1.3 L3 SC1 recommend removing the When clause
>     -> http://trace.wisc.edu/bugzilla_wcag/show_bug.cgi?id=1609

Greg Lowney says he can't think of real-world examples where reordering
the 
contents would not affect their meaning. However, this depends on the
level 
you are considering: a set of delivery units, single delivery units or
even 
lower levels. Ordering is important for the main content of a delivery 
unit, but some content does not have a logical order relation with
regard 
to the main flow, e.g. sidebars are concurrent to the main flow, and 
reordering them does not affect the meaning.

At the sentence level, the situation is obviously very different.
Consider 
for example the differences between:
- Only I hit him on the eye.
- I only hit him on the eye.
- I hit him only on the eye.
- I hit him on the eye only.

Regards,

Christophe Strobbe


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