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RE: Tests 186, 187, 188, 189,

From: Roberto Scano - IWA/HWG <rscano@iwa-italy.org>
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 18:15:20 +0200
To: "'John M Slatin'" <john_slatin@austin.utexas.edu>, "'Yvette Hoitink'" <y.p.hoitink@heritas.nl>, "'WCAG WG mailing list'" <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
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Hi John,
I don't understand your reply.

Here is an example:

	<fieldset>
           <legend>Sex</legend>
		<label for="sessoM">Male</label>
		    <input type="radio" size="20"
			    id="sessoM" name="sex" /> <br />
              <label for="sessoF">Female</label>
		<input type="radio" size="20"
			    id="sessoF" name="sex" />
	</fieldset>

What's wrong?


-----Original Message-----
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Of John M Slatin
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To: Roberto Scano - IWA/HWG; Yvette Hoitink; WCAG WG mailing list
Subject: RE: Tests 186, 187, 188, 189,



Roberto wrote:

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The HTML spec allows for multiple labels to be associated with one form
control.  But I don't know of any screen reader that supports this. That
makes it a user agent issue, perhaps, rather than a guidelines issue.  So
maybe we should accept the test.

Tests are not normative, so it will be possible to update the test files as
user agents, etc., evolve.

John

"Good design is accessible design."

Dr. John M. Slatin, Director 
Accessibility Institute
University of Texas at Austin 
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Austin, TX 78712 
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-----Original Message-----
From: w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org] On Behalf
Of Roberto Scano - IWA/HWG
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 10:57 AM
To: 'Yvette Hoitink'; 'WCAG WG mailing list'
Subject: RE: Tests 186, 187, 188, 189,





-----Original Message-----
From: w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org] On Behalf
Of Yvette Hoitink
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 5:40 PM
To: 'WCAG WG mailing list'
Subject: RE: Tests 186, 187, 188, 189,



David MacDonald recommended to accept HTML test 187:
INPUT element must have only one associated LABEL. [1] 
 
Are there any accessibility problems with having two labels associated with
the same input element? To me it would that problems only occur if the wrong
label is associated, but that's true if only 1 label is associated as well.
Multiple labels are permitted by the HTML spec and used wisely it can
actually benefit accessibility. Based on this, I would like to reject this
test.

Roberto Scano:
There is a problem for label esplicit association. The "for" attribute refer
to the ID and HTML spec don't authorize to use more than one ID per page.

Yvette:
A real-world example: a content management system we built allowed the user
to choose between two images. We used radiobuttons placed below the images
to make the selection. One radiobutton had a text to it that read something
like 'use old photograph', the other 'use new photograph'. 
We chose to use both the image (where the alt text described the image) and
the text as labels. This way, the user could either click the image or the
text below it to make a selection, providing a larger click target for
people with limited motor functions. Also, it made sure that both the
alt-text of the image and the meaning of the radio button (to use that
image) were associated with the radio button.

Roberto Scano:
Put the input inside a fieldset.
Received on Wednesday, 10 August 2005 16:15:44 GMT

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