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Re: Challenges on JavaScript Techniques

From: Joe Clark <joeclark@joeclark.org>
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 16:28:10 +0000 (UTC)
To: WAI-GL <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.60.0507081617420.24212@aristotle.multipattern.com>

> 1)       There are issues around to length and complexity of code examples.
> The amount of code it takes to generate even a simple JavaScript menu is
> voluminous and would turn document into large book on 'how to" program
> JavaScript. This is beyond our ability and scope as a small group of part
> time volunteer contributors to the initiative.

You are declaring that it is beyond "our" ability and scope, but I didn't 
see a poll you sent out on that topic. This may be the first time that 
WCAG WG has admitted it is "a small group of part-time volunteer 
contributors"; I look forward to a subsequent admission of limited 

Peter-Paul Koch and, if we're lucky, one other expert can contribute, 
addressing both problems. The length of code samples is merely a fact of 
life, and using that as a reason not to actually provide techniques is a 
de facto admission that the Working Group panics when confronted with 
lines of code.

> 2)       Accessible JavaScript is still a thing which is very much in its
> infancy, and there are still many problems to iron out, even among experts
> in the field, which may not be fixed until XHTML 2.0, or later.

That's true as far as it goes. Nonetheless, much is already known, and 
we're not in a position to write nothing on the topic because everything 
is not known.

> 5)       We don't have a large team of volunteers who are expert in
> JavaScript which would be necessary to mount the kind of effort needed to
> produce the JavaScript Techniques document we had been planning.

See (1). See response to (1).

> 7)       We are under a time gun and perhaps we need to focus our energies
> on *achievable* goals such as completing the HTML, CSS, reviewing 200 HTML
> test files and creating test files for all the CSS techniques.

Then I don't want any mention of scripting whatsoever. Don't try to be a 
little bit pregnant.

And "under the time gun"? Come on. WCAG 2 is way behind and nobody will 
stand for having it rushed out now. We've got time.


     Joe Clark | joeclark@joeclark.org
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