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RE: [techs] test 82 - p used instead of hn

From: Gregg Vanderheiden <gv@trace.wisc.edu>
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 08:59:00 -0600
To: "'Michael Cooper'" <michaelc@watchfire.com>, <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
Message-ID: <auto-000219256560@spamarrest.com>

I don't think they are presentational. 

I do think that if you are using them as headers you are not using them
according to spec.   this would be the same as using headers to bold things.


You are misusing structure markup for its presentational effects. But
headers are still structural markup even if someone might misuse them. 

 
Gregg

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Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D. 
Professor - Ind. Engr. & BioMed Engr.
Director - Trace R & D Center 
University of Wisconsin-Madison 


-----Original Message-----
From: w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org] On Behalf
Of Michael Cooper
Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 8:46 AM
To: w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
Subject: RE: [techs] test 82 - p used instead of hn

I think with respect to paragraphs that should be marked as headers, <em>
and <strong> should be considered as presentational, although in general we
consider them structural. The issue is, has the paragraph been marked up in
such a way that it appears to be a header, and therefore should be replaced
with a header element. The entire list of elements are (mis)used in this way
so we should include that entire list. Michael

> -----Original Message-----
> From: w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org]On
> Behalf Of Ineke van der Maat
> Sent: February 22, 2005 7:39 PM
> To: cwendy10@qwest.net
> Cc: w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
> Subject: Re: [techs] test 82 - p used instead of hn
> 
> 
> 
> Hallo Wendy,
> 
> You wrote:
> >I propose that we accept this test with minor changes.  Step 
> #3 in the 
> >procedure says, "Presentational elements includes the 
> elements |>b|, |i|, 
> >|u|, |strong|, |font|, and |em."
> 
> Since when are |strong| and |em| presentational Elements. Even
> 
> http://www.w3.org/TR/2000/REC-xhtml1-20000126/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd
> 
> makes that difference:
> <!ENTITY % fontstyle "tt | i | b | big | small">
> 
> <!ENTITY % phrase "em | strong | dfn | code | q | sub | sup |
>                    samp | kbd | var | cite | abbr | 
> acronym">I  would say 
> all the mentioned fontstyle -elements are presentational and all the 
> phrase-elements are structural elements.
> 
> 
> Greetings
> Ineke van der Maat
> 
> 
> 
> 
Received on Wednesday, 23 February 2005 16:20:38 GMT

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