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Re: [techs] Action to test WCAG 1.0 10.2 - form labels

From: Charles McCathieNevile <charles@w3.org>
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 11:20:54 -0500 (EST)
To: Michael Cooper <michaelc@watchfire.com>
Cc: "WAI GL (E-mail)" <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.55.0402271117230.22543@homer.w3.org>

Hello Michael,

the conclusion I would draw from this is that you are not equipped to do
sufficient testing, unless WCAG is prepared to recommend that people use
Windows (with the implications about buying computers for which it is
available, ...). Your results are great, but I don't think they justify your
conclusion at this stage.

Cheers

Chaals

On Fri, 27 Feb 2004, Michael Cooper wrote:

>
>I had an action to report on the results of testing I did with form labels
>some time ago, to help determine if we can deprecate WCAG 1.0 Checkpoint
>10.2 (until <label> supported in user agents, position form controls
>properly). The results of this testing are at
>http://trace.wisc.edu/bugzilla_wcag/show_bug.cgi?id=273. I tested IE6,
>Mozilla 1.2, Opera 7, Lynx 2.8, JAWS 4.5 on IE6, and WindowsEyes 4.2 on IE6.
>All on the Windows OS unfortunately.
>
>The conclusion I would draw is that the two screenreaders provide support
>for the <label> element when used with the "for" attribute ("explicit"
><label>s). Part of my test file was a ridiculous test in which all the form
>controls were at the top of the page and all the labels at the bottom, to
>make sure no positioning heuristic was confounding the results - and the
>screen readers still found them. One wouldn't expect the graphical browsers
>or Lynx to provide any special support for finding the label (though the
>three graphical browsers did provide the expected support of putting the
>focus on the form control when the label is clicked). My feeling is that
>this means it is now appropriate to deprecate Checkpoint 10.2.
>
>Michael
>
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