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RE: Audio description (was: New rewrite of Guideline 1.1 [action item])

From: Lee Roberts <leeroberts@roserockdesign.com>
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 23:18:03 -0500
To: "'WAI-GL'" <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
Message-Id: <20040622041941.23F5AA1972@frink.w3.org>

Gregg,
Joe is correct.  Audio is clearly not a text alternative.  It is used by
blind people listening to a television show.  However it is not something
that can be presented on a Braille display.

If the audio presentation was transcribed into an input for a Braille
display then it is no longer an audio presentation.  It becomes a text
alternative.

Therefore, Joe's assertion that audio presentations are not text
alternatives is correct.  Additionally moving all of 1.2 into 1.1 would be
an error.

Lee Roberts
http://www.applepiecart.com

-----Original Message-----
From: w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org] On Behalf
Of Gregg Vanderheiden
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 9:38 PM
To: 'Joe Clark'; 'WAI-GL'
Subject: RE: Audio description (was: New rewrite of Guideline 1.1 [action
item])


Joe

I don't understand your comment.

Captions are an alternative and you don't watch a show with just the
captions.  

Audio description is an alternative to the video portion.  And many blind
people do indeed watch shows with only the audio and audio descriptions.

It is not a complete alternative in most shows.  But then again captions
aren't either.  Captions don't include most intonation and much is lost. 

Please explain what you mean by your comments below. 

 
Gregg

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Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D. 
Professor - Ind. Engr. & BioMed Engr.
Director - Trace R & D Center
University of Wisconsin-Madison 


-----Original Message-----
From: w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org] On Behalf
Of Joe Clark
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 8:56 PM
To: WAI-GL
Subject: Audio description (was: New rewrite of Guideline 1.1 [action item])


> We can't move all of 1.2 to 1.1 because audio description is not a 
> text alternative.

It's not any kind of alternative. It's an addition. Try watching a movie
with *just* the audio description.

By the way, I think the original message was a new record for 2004-- six
top-postings. Ph.D.s continue to be unable to use E-mail.


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Received on Tuesday, 22 June 2004 00:19:41 GMT

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