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Re: WAKE UP CALL !-( mouse gestures

From: Doyle Burnett <dburnett@sesa.org>
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 10:08:29 -0900
To: Matt May <mcmay@w3.org>, Jonathan Chetwynd <j.chetwynd@btinternet.com>
Cc: W3C Web Content <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
Message-ID: <BBE8DA9D.14E3%dburnett@sesa.org>

Like some others, I really do not see a big accessibility issue with "mouse
gestures" as they can, if properly implemented within a browser, can be
turned off.  It seems that an implementation that would NOT disable the
function of the right mouse button would be important but this is really a
user agent issue for the most part).  As stated, so long as the function of
the keyboard and mouse are NOT compromised when "mouse gestures" are
turned-off - seems like not such a big deal for most users.

Just my thoughts.

Doyle Burnett


Doyle Burnett
Education and Training Specialist
Multiple Disabilities Program
Special Education Service Agency
dburnett@sesa.org
Www.sesa.org
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On 11/25/03 8:57 AM, "Matt May" <mcmay@w3.org> wrote:

> 
> On Nov 25, 2003, at 1:53 AM, Jonathan Chetwynd wrote:
>> Response to post please!
> 
> Perhaps if you explain your problem, people will be more likely to
> understand why they should respond.
> 
>> mouse gestures represents a potential problem similar to pop ups.
> 
> I can't see that big of a problem, as long as the keyboard and the
> mouse work as usual for typical tasks. Certainly not as big a problem
> as popups.
> 
> This doesn't interfere with the standard keyboard mechanisms, and
> doesn't interfere with clicking except with a click-and-drag operation.
> It prevents selecting text and right-clicking on my browser, and it
> fails to let me click on the links on the page in Firebird, but that's
> just universally bad design. Stupid? Absolutely. Broken? You bet.
> Inaccessible? Not necessarily. It would at least pass WCAG 1.0
> Checkpoint 8.1 at Priority 1 because the functionality is presented
> elsewhere (i.e., within the browser). And the left mouse button can be
> ignored when using this script, which should leave regular page
> interaction for most users.
> 
> I doubt many sites will see any benefit to introducing a feature that
> users won't understand, discover or use. Things like popups and CAPTCHA
> became a problem because companies had an economic benefit to
> implementing them, accessible or not. There is no such benefit to this
> "feature." It only does (poorly) with a mouse what is well-implemented
> via keyboard shortcuts in the browsers.
> 
> Of course, the place to implement gestures is in the user agent, where
> the user can configure it, or disable it. The big three browsers
> already have mouse gesture support built in or bolted on:
> 
> http://www.opera.com/features/mouse/
> http://optimoz.mozdev.org/gestures/
> http://www.myie2.com/html_en/tour/02mousegesture.htm
> 
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Received on Tuesday, 25 November 2003 14:06:45 GMT

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