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Re: dinghies Re: Captcha and inaccessiblity

From: Tom Croucher <tcroucher@netalleynetworks.com>
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 06:10:25 +0100
To: Charles McCathieNevile <charles@w3.org>
Cc: Marja-Riitta Koivunen <marja@w3.org>, "w3c-wai-gl@w3.org" <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
Message-ID: <oprxbsnnhnu930jj@mail.icet.co.uk>

I certainly agree the point, however my examples are probably not the best. 
I am sure there are people, such as John, who are good at unambigiously 
phrasing things. As I also attempted to point out this whole approach is 
hellishly complex, in fact my business partner who is more of an expert in 
NLP and AI than myself seemed to think the whole exercise was futile. He 
pointed out that a common sense lexicon (and I believe one exists) would 
wipe the floor with these simple problems. Anything more complex might 
become overly difficult for users, or more likely to be specific to areas 
of knowledge.


Tom

On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 00:21:56 -0400 (EDT), Charles McCathieNevile 
<charles@w3.org> wrote:

>
> On Mon, 20 Oct 2003, Tom Croucher wrote:
>
>>
>> On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 15:06:34 -0400, Marja-Riitta Koivunen <marja@w3.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>>>> might be like those IQ tests "A dingy is to ship as a go-cart is to
>>>>> a?". The acceptable answers being "Car", "Bus", "Lorry" etc.
>>>
>>> I did not know what a dingy is :-).
>>> We don't want to filter non-native English speakers and users with
>>> cognitive disabilities either.
>>>
>>
>> Surely that would be a translation issue. FYI a dingy is a small rubber
>> raft.
>
> Well yes, but given that Marja works at MIT for W3C, in english, it does
> demonstrate the problem. And I always think of sailing dinghies - 
> essentially
> a small sailing boat without a fixed keel, almost never made of rubber. 
> And
> this for a word that I believe was in my illustrated dictionary in 
> primary
> school (along with jumper, which I know doesn't mean a pullover in the 
> US,
> but does in Australia).
>
> I realise that we could link a dictionary, and with a PhD as a usability
> engineer I expect Marja just looked it up. But the devil of this problem 
> is
> in the details, and there turn out to be a lot of them :(
>
> cheers
>
> Chaals
>
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