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RE: FW: acronym in title...

From: John M Slatin <john_slatin@austin.utexas.edu>
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:41:11 -0500
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I agree it would be a good idea to support phrasal markup within the
<title> element.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Charles McCathieNevile [mailto:charles@w3.org]
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 7:41 am
To: Richard Ishida
Cc: w3c-i18n-ig@w3.org; public-i18n-geo@w3.org; w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
Subject: Re: FW: acronym in title...



with my i18n IG hat (rarely worn I notice) on I think this makes good
sense.

I would also suggest that this follows from the requirement in XML
Accessibility Guidelines to have equivalent alternatives in a way which
are flexible (checkpoints 1.1 and 1.2) - http://www.w3.org/TR/xag#g1_0

cheers

Chaals

On Thu, 13 Mar 2003, Richard Ishida wrote:

 >
 >Dear I18N IG and GEO TF,
 >
 >Please see the attached note for a real-life instance of a person
 >wanting to apply markup (span and abbr) within the <title> element.
 >(This element only supports PCDATA in HTML4.01 and XHTML2.0). The need
 >below is raised due to accessibility concerns. There may also be
 >requirements to apply other phrasal markup, for example a span to
 >support bidi attributes in Arabic and Hebrew contexts.  I'd like to
 >propose that the HTML group introduce support for phrasal markup in the

 >title element in XHTML 2.0 (I assume it's too late for HTML 4.01).
 >
 >We can also make this request more generic.  In a recent paper I argued

 >that dtd designers should avoid putting ANY localisable text into
 >attributes where possible.  An example of this is the alt attribute in
 >HTML 4.01.  The text in alt sometimes needs span or bdo elements to
 >support bidirectionality or language changes (particularly for voice
 >browsers).  In principle other phrasal tags could be useful too, such
 >as em.  To assist localisation it would also be very useful to be able
 >to attach an id to the alt text.  (In DTDs I design myself, I have used

 >an image element that includes separate graphic and alt elements to get

 >around this.)
 >
 >Although it perhaps presents a somewhat more difficult case, the title
 >attribute calls for the same treatment.  In addition, it is quite
 >possible that the title text is in a different language to the text in
 >the element to which it is attached.  How do you make that clear if the

 >title text is in an attribute?
 >
 >So I'm proposing that we ask the HTML group to consider:
 >1.	allowing phrasal markup on the title element for XHTML2
 >2.	avoiding the use of attributes containing localisable text
 >wherever feasible
 >
 >Comments? Thoughts?
 >
 >RI
 >
 >
 >
 >============
 >Richard Ishida
 >W3C
 >
 >tel: +44 1753 480 292
 >http://www.w3.org/International/ http://www.w3.org/People/Ishida/
 >
 >
 >
 >-----Original Message-----
 >From: w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org] On
 >Behalf Of Roberto Scano - IWA/HWG
 >Sent: 11 March 2003 09:47
 >To: WCAG List
 >Subject: acronym in title...
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >I forward the question of an IWA member:
 >
 >----
 >I have a small issue that I am hoping you can help me with.  I am
 >trying to create web pages with the new standard XTML, following the
 >rules for accessibility set down by WCAG and Internationalizations..
 >
 >1) Example: "<title>Home Page - Spiegazioni della direttiva WCAG del
 >World Wide Web Consortium</title>"
 >    On this example there is a mix of english words and italian words
 >because the page is wrote in italian language and is related to
 >argument that could not be translated in italian. I can understand that

 >I can use "Pagina Principale" instead of "Home Page" even if is not so
 >nice, but I should use <acronym> for WCAG and english spelling for
 >"World Wide Web Consortium". I repeat this is only an example but the
 >concept is: how can I switch language or how can I show acronyms inside

 >"string" attribute?
 >

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