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RE: character Input -- Checkpoint 2.1 (revisions from Jan 8 Telecon)

From: Richard Ishida <ishida@w3.org>
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 14:17:14 -0000
To: "'Roberto Scano - IWA/HWG'" <rscano@iwa-italy.org>, <gv@trace.wisc.edu>, <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
Message-ID: <002601c2ceb3$9d18a0e0$6401a8c0@w3c40upc3ma3j2>

I'm not sure about the typical usage of 'keyboard assistive
technologies' - would it include mouse-like pointers?  would it include
speech recognition? Cursor control keys are already included in
'keyboard' I think - if so, it is redundant.

RI

============
Richard Ishida
W3C

tel: +44 1753 480 292
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roberto Scano - IWA/HWG [mailto:rscano@iwa-italy.org] 
> Sent: 07 February 2003 14:08
> To: ishida@w3.org; gv@trace.wisc.edu; w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
> Subject: Re: character Input -- Checkpoint 2.1 (revisions 
> from Jan 8 Telecon)
> 
> 
> Why not "keyboard or keyboard assistive tecnologies plus 
> cursor control keys" ?
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richard Ishida" <ishida@w3.org>
> To: <gv@trace.wisc.edu>; <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
> Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 2:58 PM
> Subject: RE: character Input -- Checkpoint 2.1 (revisions from Jan 8
> Telecon)
> 
> 
> 
> Yes, I take your point there.
> 
> Perhaps you could say "keyboard or microphone"?  I think you 
> mean to include speech input, right? Trying to spell out 
> which keys on the keyboard seems problematic and unnecessary 
> (in addition to graphic character keys and cursor keys there 
> are many other control keys such as alt, ctrl,  alt-graph, 
> context-menu, start, function keys, shift and caps lock keys, 
> ime-dedicated keys in East Asian keyboards, scrolling, 
> tabbing, etc. etc.).  Just saying 'keyboard' covers all that 
> though, doesn't it?
> 
> RI
> 
> ============
> Richard Ishida
> W3C
> 
> tel: +44 1753 480 292
> http://www.w3.org/International/ http://www.w3.org/People/Ishida/
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org 
> [mailto:w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org] On 
> > Behalf Of Gregg Vanderheiden
> > Sent: 07 February 2003 13:37
> > To: w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
> > Subject: RE: character Input -- Checkpoint 2.1 (revisions 
> from Jan 8 
> > Telecon)
> >
> >
> >
> > Hmmmm
> >
> > We can't say "keyboard or other input device" since that 
> would allow 
> > mouse only web pages.
> >
> > But  Unicode and cursor control Keys keys should cover all 
> that we are 
> > looking for.  Yes?
> >
> >
> > Gregg
> >
> >  -- ------------------------------
> > Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D.
> > Professor - Ind. Engr. & BioMed Engr.
> > Director - Trace R & D Center
> > University of Wisconsin-Madison
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org 
> [mailto:w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org] On 
> > Behalf Of Roberto Scano
> > - IWA/HWG
> > Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 1:42 PM
> > To: ishida@w3.org; gv@trace.wisc.edu; w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
> > Subject: Re: character Input -- Checkpoint 2.1 (revisions from Jan 8
> > Telecon)
> >
> >
> > Thank u Richard.
> > As you see i've changed the post with another one :)
> >
> > Webopedia is a powerful tool for us for make "right 
> reference" to the 
> > "right terms" to use :)
> >
> > Roberto Scano
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Richard Ishida" <ishida@w3.org>
> > To: <gv@trace.wisc.edu>; "'Roberto Scano - IWA/HWG'" 
> > <rscano@iwa-italy.org>; <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 8:39 PM
> > Subject: RE: character Input -- Checkpoint 2.1 (revisions from Jan 8
> > Telecon)
> >
> >
> > Remember also that not everyone in the world uses QWERTY 
> keyboards.  I 
> > think you need to focus less on the specific characters 
> involved and 
> > more on enabling the functionality through some alternative 
> method. I 
> > would just say: "through a keyboard or other input device"
> >
> > Hope that helps,
> > RI
> >
> > ============
> > Richard Ishida
> > W3C
> >
> > tel: +44 1753 480 292
> > http://www.w3.org/International/ http://www.w3.org/People/Ishida/
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org
> > [mailto:w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org] On
> > > Behalf Of Gregg Vanderheiden
> > > Sent: 06 February 2003 19:21
> > > To: 'Roberto Scano - IWA/HWG'; w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
> > > Subject: RE: character Input -- Checkpoint 2.1 (revisions
> > from Jan 8
> > > Telecon)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hmmm
> > > That may not be clear.
> > > Are "function keys" in a qwerty layout?
> > > Are "arrow keys"?
> > >
> > >
> > > Gregg
> > >
> > >  -- ------------------------------
> > > Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D.
> > > Professor - Ind. Engr. & BioMed Engr.
> > > Director - Trace R & D Center
> > > University of Wisconsin-Madison
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org
> > [mailto:w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org] On
> > > Behalf Of Roberto Scano
> > > - IWA/HWG
> > > Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 1:00 PM
> > > To: gv@trace.wisc.edu; w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
> > > Subject: Re: character Input -- Checkpoint 2.1 (revisions 
> from Jan 8
> > > Telecon)
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > > We can refer to the "webopedia" 
> > > http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/k/keyboard.html
> > >
> > > why don't add
> > > this text at the end of the phrase:
> > >
> > > "and special keys that are available in QWERTY layout  keyboard"
> > >
> > > ?
> > >
> > > These are my two cents ;-)
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Gregg Vanderheiden" <gv@trace.wisc.edu>
> > > To: <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
> > > Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 7:09 PM
> > > Subject: RE: character Input -- Checkpoint 2.1 (revisions 
> from Jan 8
> > > Telecon)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > We need to add something beyond just the Unicode.   Hmmm  Just add
> > > The following to the end of what you have   ...  "plus
> > > standard character
> > > Entry and editing keys (up, down, left, and right arrows, etc.)
> > >
> > >   I wonder.  The Device Control 1,2,3,4 codes in UNICODE.
> > Aren't those
> > > usually
> > > arrow keys?
> > > The following are all std UNICODE characters
> > >
> > > SPACE
> > > ESCAPE
> > > TAB
> > > ENTER / RETURN
> > > LINE FEED
> > > DELETE (BACKSPACE)
> > > PAGEFEED
> > > VERTICAL TAB   (what is this exactly. Tab down to specified
> > > place on page?)
> > >
> > >
> > > Gregg
> > >
> > >  -- ------------------------------
> > > Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D.
> > > Professor - Ind. Engr. & BioMed Engr.
> > > Director - Trace R & D Center
> > > University of Wisconsin-Madison
> > > > Definitions (informative)
> > > >    Character input is defined as those characters that
> > can be mapped
> > > to
> > > >    the character set of the W3C Character Model (which 
> is based on
> > > >    Unicode).
> > >
> >
> 
Received on Friday, 7 February 2003 09:17:30 GMT

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