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Re: ftf in Linz success criteria

From: jonathan chetwynd <j.chetwynd@btinternet.com>
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 07:38:39 +0100
Message-ID: <010401c2314a$6c573270$723f29d9@RJCHETWYND>
To: <GV@TRACE.WISC.EDU>, <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>

There can be very little difference between illustrating a given piece of
text, and describing the frames in a film.
Both are possible, it just so happens that we consider the one easier than
the other.

One does not describe every detail in every frame, but uses judgement,
discretion, discernment, and more.
Radio commentators at a sports event have a similar task.

In the sense that we insist that all images have text equivalents, it is
possible to say that all pages should be illustrated, just unrealistic.
It seems more realistic to require some pages, to be illustrated (say 10%
for large corporations and governments)
The reality is however that skills for either are in very short supply
presently, and the results of either endeavour are very likely to be of
mixed quality, as are the benefits..

jonathan



----- Original Message -----
From: "Gregg Vanderheiden" <GV@TRACE.WISC.EDU>
To: <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 10:38 PM
Subject: RE: ftf in Linz success criteria


>
> Hi Jonathan,
>
> I think you are right.   It may well be possible to have some portion of
> the pages illustrated.  But the guidelines at level 1 are to apply to
> all pages.  There is no question that illustrating etc can be done for
> some pages and that it is helpful to all for some pages.
>
> Unfortunately the question that was under discussion was what we were
> recommending be done to all pages.  Or all sites.    Do you feel that
> that is reasonable?
>
> Regards
>
> Gregg
>
> ------------------------------------
> Gregg Vanderheiden Ph.D.
> Ind Engr - Biomed - Trace,  Univ of Wis
> gv@trace.wisc.edu
>
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: jonathan chetwynd [mailto:j.chetwynd@btinternet.com]
> > Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2002 7:52 PM
> > To: GV@trace.wisc.edu; w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
> > Subject: Re: ftf in Linz success criteria
> >
> > The fact is that for nearly all messages it is possible to illustrate
> some
> > of the text.
> > Different users will require different symbol sets, and it isn't
> > neccessarily sensible to attach symbols for ever word.
> > It isn't necessarily possible to do this simply and easily with
> current
> > email, or browser technology.
> >
> > Guidelines such as we are discussing may well be difficult to
> illustrate,
> > graphically, but it is possible:
> > "This is a picture of me in front of my house" looks a bit stupid
> without
> > the picture, I think we can all agree.
> > We are not - that - far away from such a condition.
> >
> > As Gregg well knows there are email user agents that do produce
> > illustrations, and can be set up to do this for any text.
> >
> > As we are discussing a future draft(2.0) which has no deadline, as
> yet, it
> > is perfectly feasible that this will be more nearly appropriate and
> possible
> > at that time.
> > It is important to raise awareness now.
> > thanks Lisa, sorry to have missed the f2f
> >
> > It is important that Corporate, and Government bodies provide some
> pages
> > that do comply with this concept.
> > In fact most already do, eg maps, diagrams, photographs etc.
> >
> > Really, we may need to introduce this with something such as:
> > Consider whether your users have comprehension and reading problems,
> would
> > they benefit from additional illustrations. or
> > Ensure that 10% of all pages are designed to be understood by users
> without
> > reading skills,
> >
> > jonathan chetwynd
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Gregg Vanderheiden" <GV@TRACE.WISC.EDU>
> > To: <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 6:09 AM
> > Subject: RE: ftf in Linz success criteria
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Hi Lisa,
> > >
> > > I just don't see how this is possible.   Could you show me what you
> mean
> > > by posting all your comments to this list with picture equivalents
> for
> > > all the text and illustrations for all instructions.
> > >
> > > This either sounds impossible or I don't understand what you are
> > > suggesting.  In either case -- it would be solved if you would just
> > > follow your suggestions for all postings to this list.
> > >
> > > > - use markup to support the conversion of test into non text
> > > > -supply an illustration for each instruction
> > > > - create a non text equivalent for all textual content.
> > >
> > > Thanks much.
> > >
> > > Gregg
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------
> > > Gregg Vanderheiden Ph.D.
> > > Ind Engr - Biomed - Trace,  Univ of Wis
> > > gv@trace.wisc.edu
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org]
> On
> > > Behalf
> > > > Of Lisa Seeman
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 7:34 AM
> > > > To: w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
> > > > Subject: ftf in Linz success criteria
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I was asked to write up the success criteria from Avi Bentz and me
> for
> > > 4.2
> > > >
> > > > here they are:
> > > >
> > > > - use markup to support the conversion of test into non text
> > > > -supply an illustration for each instruction
> > > > - create a non text equivalent for all textual content.
> > > >
> > > > We are intending to continue working on these by email.
> > > >  let the debate begin......
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > All the best,
> > > >
> > > > Lisa Seeman
> > > >
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