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RE: CSS versus tables

From: Charles McCathieNevile <charles@w3.org>
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 03:26:31 -0500 (EST)
To: "Slaydon, Eugenia" <ESlaydon@beacontec.com>
cc: Scott Luebking <phoenixl@sonic.net>, <andrew.mcfarland@unite.net>, <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0201020324020.10300-100000@tux.w3.org>
Most code generators produce terrible rubbish, but screeen readers and
browsers manage to handle it anyway, to some extent. So I get tools that do a
good job - Amaya for most of my general coding (because it produces very
clean code and does CSS in a limited but very nice way).

I don't yet have a good layout tool, but then I use extremely simple layouts
so I don't need one. If I do, I write a couple of lines of CSS, and then work
in Amaya, although it nfortunately doesn't support the layout so I need to
recall which region is which - I generally use a user style sheet to give
themm a colour and border instead for editing.

Cheers

Charles McCN

On Tue, 1 Jan 2002, Slaydon, Eugenia wrote:

  Just curious. If you use a layout software, how does all the junk code
  behind the scenes affect readers/browsers? I code everything by hand because
  I detest the code that most HTML generators create.

  Eugenia

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Charles McCathieNevile [mailto:charles@w3.org]
  Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 6:01 PM
  To: Scott Luebking
  Cc: andrew.mcfarland@unite.net; w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
  Subject: RE: CSS versus tables


  Well, it wuld be worth trying to get some real results from a serious sample
  of developers.

  Anyway, it is true for almost any rectilinear result I have ever tried to
  achieve that I find CSS is easier and faster to code than tables. (As I have
  said, fewer and fewer people do these by hand anyway, they use a simple
  piece
  of layout software, so the question doesn't really seem so important)

  Cheers

  Charles

  On Tue, 1 Jan 2002, Scott Luebking wrote:

    Hi,

    Just wondering  -  is this true for most rectilinear layouts of
    cells or does it refer to certain types of layout, e.g. the common
    format of a main area bordered by smaller areas above, below, etc?
    I think for this common type of layout CSS is easier (ignoring
    the browser problems).  If the layout gets more complex and information
    needs to have certain related alignments to other information for visual
    appeal, tables can be pretty fast.

    Scott


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