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RE: 2.1 thoughts

From: Gregg Vanderheiden <GV@TRACE.WISC.EDU>
Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 18:39:17 -0500
To: "'Charles McCathieNevile'" <charles@w3.org>
Cc: w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
Message-id: <006401c1f557$3d333310$ce17a8c0@laptop600>
Hi Charles.

I am very confused.

Are you saying that all web pages have to be navigable and operable from
a phone keypad that doesn't even support tab?


Gregg Vanderheiden Ph.D.
Ind Engr - Biomed - Trace,  Univ of Wis


> -----Original Message-----
> From: w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org] On
> Of Charles McCathieNevile
> Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 2:27 PM
> To: Gregg Vanderheiden
> Cc: w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
> Subject: RE: 2.1 thoughts
> On Mon, 6 May 2002, Gregg Vanderheiden wrote:
>   Chaals wrote
>   this starts to make sense, but I don't like it - it should be
possible in
>   most cases to just use a mouse to drive everything, yet that doesn't
>   to be supported here.
>   Question,
>   How would you enter text with a mouse?
>   (Using an on screen keyboard doesn't count since that is a keyboard
>   far as the application is concerned).
> response:
> Yes, I mean that it should be possible to use an onscreen keyboard (as
> done in kiosk type environments in some cases). The point is that most
> now prefer to use a mouse, and in some situations (such as the EIAD
> designed for people with brain injuries) rely on a touch screen.
> Using the keyboard to move around requires an abstraction of
> Point and click doesn't, for folks who can use it. We need to support
> cases, I think.
>   ALSO in response to
>   5. All functionality operable via text input plus tab, up, down,
>   right, and enter.
>   (these are the text and command keys that can be ensured would be on
>   "keyboards"  (real or virtual).)
>   Chaals wrote
>   No they are not. One of my two keyboards doesn't have this. And
>   speech-based systems don't have up, down, left, right as ways of
>   things. This is too specific to visual environments.
>   3 Questions
>   1- Which keys were missing.  The arrowkeys?
> Yep, my phone doesn't have them, nor a tab key. And text entry isn't
> efficient either.
>   2 - What speech input system doesn't provide a way to operate
>   keys?  (One on a system without a keyboard?)
> One which isn't simply a speech input interface to a desktop computer
model -
> for example a VoiceXML application, or similar system. Again, my phone
> voice control of many functions, but not voice simulation of keyboard
>   3 - How about
>   --- Text input plus  "step to next" (TAB) and "Activate". (ENTER).
>   The arrowkeys can be optional but all function needs to be operable
>   text and the two functions.
> Well, I prefer to start from "device independent mechanisms, including
> activation where available (e.g. Voice, point and click) and
navigation among
> options (e.g. "next", "previous", "activate" using voice commands, or
> keyboard input)
> By the way, this is the kind of problem that User Agent group has
dealt with
> fairly extensively - it would be worth asking their thoughts in my
> opinion.
> cheers
> Chaals
Received on Monday, 6 May 2002 19:39:30 UTC

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