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Re: Agenda

From: Charles McCathieNevile <charles@w3.org>
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 11:30:07 -0400 (EDT)
To: Jason White <jasonw@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au>
cc: Web Content Guidelines <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0110041129240.5371-100000@tux.w3.org>
Probable regrets. Here are my thoughts on the agenda items:

I only agree with R1 as long as R2 is also a matter for consensus.

N3 -  normative is determined by objectiveness  -- ease of establishing
consensus on fulfillment.

Seems to me too vaguely / briefly written. I understand it as meaning that a
requirement for being normative is that we can develop success criteria where
there is general agreement in the group on those criteria, and (implicitly,
but very significantly) on whether various test cases pass or fail.  (I also
see N3, N4 and N5 as essentially the same thing, although I don't think that
hurts. It means that if someone else thinks we can have one but can not have
another of them then there isn't consensus on what they mean)

Big issues:

Author and user needs conflict, user and user needs conflict.

In general we need to ensure that user needs are met, and we need to work as
hard as we can to find ways of doing this that meet authors needs. We need to
understand whether author needs are needs (communicating information) or
desires (having a site use a particular technology for demonstration, no
matter what the consequences). If they are desires, then it is acceptable
that they lose in a conflict, but where possible we should seek win-win
solutions to the problems. In many cases these exist.

User versus user needs is something we need to look at on a case by case
basis. But it is also a test we need to apply to every normative requirement
anyway - if this is done is some group being cut out? (assuming that the rest
of the requirements are applied makes this easier, but makes conformance as
opposed to simple reporting more important)

Conformance:
I have not had time to follow the most recent thread, but I do have a number
of thoughts about conformance. Hopefully I will be able to follow up in the
next couple of days.

cheers

Charles
Received on Thursday, 4 October 2001 11:30:10 GMT

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