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Re: Illustrating example (was Re: New draft - 14 August 2001)

From: Anne Pemberton <apembert@erols.com>
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 16:02:23 -0400
Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010815153346.00a32130@pop.erols.com>
To: Wendy A Chisholm <wendy@w3.org>, w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
Wendy,

         Joel Sanda and I discussed Bobby and Yahoo! sites offlist last 
week and came to the "conclusion" that a page on Yahoo! couldn't be 
"accessible" because of the banner ad script that attaches to each page 
when you upload it to the site. When editing a Yahoo! page, you have to 
manually take the script out if working from the download, or you will 
begin to multiply the banner ads on the page ... It is possible that we 
arrived at a false conclusion <grin> ... I'd like to have as much of the 
site "accessible" beyond useful for my kids, but I seem to run into the 
most problems using a table to hold a graphic and one or more links that 
the graphic illustrates (e.g. http://www.geocities.com/apembert45/History ) 
. If I remember correctly Bobby can't live with both a graphic and text in 
a table cell... Last time I tried to test these pages in Bobby was back 
around Christmas when I was just starting to use this format.

         Thought it was interesting you chose to test Helen Keller. I hope 
I had the alt tags in place, since I finished that page late at night. 
Helen Keller is one of the new additions to Virginia's SOLs this year, and 
I'm looking forward to talking about her to the kids. In the past two 
years, in talking about what you can do with computers, I usually tell the 
kids, to their astonishing awe! that blind people use computers as well as 
they do ... It'll be nice to tie that to Helen Keller even tho she, 
herself, never got to experience the Internet or speech readers. And, as I 
said before, it ticked my pants purple to see that the AFB shared their 
marvelous collection of photos of Helen, so that if we get bored looking at 
the pictures I have on the page now, I can change them quite a few times 
before running out of stuff.

         Oh, and a suggestion on writing examples. It may be well to choose 
examples which you know you have a site you can use to illustrate the 
concept with ....  I realize that shouldn't be a consideration, but if you 
put it into the pot of considerations as you write the examples, you may 
save re-write time later.

                                         Anne



At 03:31 PM 8/15/01 -0400, Wendy A Chisholm wrote:
>Anne,
>
>>         The draft is looking good! It's almost enjoyable reading! <grin> ...
>
>I'm glad you see the draft improving.  I certainly can't take all the 
>credit.  Gregg and Jason worked very hard on this draft, and that work 
>tries to reflect the discussions and work of the working group.
>
>>         Have a lot of new examples been added, or did I not notice them 
>> before? The ones that are new to me are well written, and could be 
>> easily illustrated with a link to an appropriate page/site.
>
>yes, we have been adding new examples in the last few drafts.  I agree, 
>they should be illustrated.
>
>>         As an example of illustrating a site, you may want to look at my 
>> recently finished(?) for the kids to learn about the various Famous 
>> Americans in their curriculum. 
>> http://www.geocities.com/apembert45/FamAmer/  The index page for the 
>> site contains pictures for each of the persons to be studied at each 
>> grade level. Clicking on the picture leads to a specific page for that 
>> person, which includes one or more pictures, some basic facts about the 
>> person, and links to more information, more pictures, and whatever else 
>> I could find on that person that seemed useful either to the children 
>> themselves, or to the teachers. For each person I have a printable page 
>> of small pictures that can be printed, cut out, and given to the 
>> children to use with written work, games, etc. For some (but not all), I 
>> have a large picture that the teacher can print out and display in the 
>> room, or install as wallpaper during the unit.
>
>Yes, this could be an interesting example to point people to.  We'll have 
>to discuss it.
>
>>         If you want to use this site as an example of illustrating 
>> content, let me know what I have to do to make it "accessible" if it 
>> isn't now (need to check a few pages for all tags, but everything else 
>> should be OK.) so it can be used. The site isn't eligible for a Bobby 
>> certification because it's on Yahoo!
>
>What do you mean by "not eligible for a Bobby certification because it's 
>on Yahoo?"  I was able to run a page through bobby:
>http://bobby.cast.org/bobby?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.geocities.com%2Fapembert45% 
>2FFamAmer%2FKeller.html&output=Submit
>
>It found a few issues.  You would have to run them page by page since you 
>can't run the downloadable against the site, but it's not impossible.
>
>Thanks,
>--wendy
>--
>wendy a chisholm
>world wide web consortium
>web accessibility initiative
>seattle, wa usa
>/--

Anne Pemberton
apembert@erols.com

http://www.erols.com/stevepem
http://www.geocities.com/apembert45
Received on Wednesday, 15 August 2001 16:11:51 GMT

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