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RE: NEW DRAFT - 31 July 2001

From: Joel Sanda <joels@ecollege.com>
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 13:26:51 -0600
Message-ID: <2FECE9363D811B418C3F282834F172A56DBDFF@PIKESPEAK.corp.ecl>
To: "'Wendy A Chisholm'" <wendy@w3.org>, w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
Hi all;

Wendy - as usual, great reading! 

But I would like to play devil's advocate and pose a question:

Can we apply 3.4 to this document? While I mean that rhetorically (on the
sly, with just a hint of cynicism <grin/>) I am also sincere: can we try to
just illustrate point 3.4 with non-text content?

Presumably, since we're working from a text-based modality, we will address
point 1.1 with the original text content we will supplement with non-text

I think we will run into a big problem, right of the bat, with any attempt
trying to describe with alternative modalities content that is describing
something else. In a linguistic and phenomenological sense we're trying to
add metaphors to meta-data, or meta-content.

The WCAG document is content about content. In the way we describe the term
"love" with metaphors, point 3.4 is trying to provide a method for the
creation of metaphors (the definition of "metaphor" I'm going of can be
found at: http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=metaphor).

So we will find ourselves describing content that is describing how to write
good textual content without using text content. I cannot visualize doing
this - hence I think it would be interesting to try and make 3.4 comply
with, 3.4

Joel Sanda 
Product Manager
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-----Original Message-----
From: Wendy A Chisholm [mailto:wendy@w3.org]
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 11:45 AM
To: w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
Subject: NEW DRAFT - 31 July 2001


A new draft is available.  The 26 July 2001 version did not have updates to 
checkpoints 3.5, 3.6, 3.7, 4.1, 4.2, 4.3, 4.4. This draft updates those, as 
well as incorporates discussion on checkpoint 2.1 from the 26 July 2001 
telecon on the 26 July 2001 working draft.

Again, I suggest people read the change log first:

I have identified several issues again and highlighted major changes, such 
as combining checkpoints.

I included my proposed checkpoint 3.4 with some minor changes.  I look 
forward to responses on this.  If it is too controversial, I will revert 
back to the previous draft or suggest people provide proposals for 
something that is more acceptable.  We are working to publish a public 
working draft on 10 August 2001.  We don't need to have consensus for a 
working draft, but we also don't want to publish anything that contains 
substantial errors or disagreement.

If possible, we might just put a placeholder for checkpoint 3.4 that says, 
"A checkpoint on providing illustrations will go here. The working group 
does not have sufficient agreement to publish anything at this time."

The draft itself is available at:

For the latest draft, always refer to:

This redirects to the current version.

I look forward to your comments.
wendy a chisholm
world wide web consortium
web accessibility initiative
seattle, wa usa
Received on Tuesday, 31 July 2001 15:26:58 UTC

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