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Re: Can the W3C HML validaor send email when the page becomes invalid (was Re: WWW: Interoperability Crisis?)

From: Brian Kelly <b.kelly@ukoln.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 09:11:18 -0000
Message-ID: <09c401c0851c$71f453b0$d513268a@ukoln.ac.uk>
To: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org, Al Gilman <asgilman@iamdigex.net>
Cc: w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
Hi Al
    Thanks for the reply.
     It's interesting to compare the various solutions suggested.
     I suggested an application solution (storing an email address in a
Web-based HTML validator)
     Al, being a protocol guy, suggested use of a standard header, based on
an established email header.
     Charles, being a metadata guy, suggested use of structured metadata - I
assume this is to be able to differentiate between the author of the content
and the person who marked up the document (George W Bush may have wrote his
speech, but I guess he's not responsible for any HTML errors in the HTML
version).
    Mine is an application solution.  The information is not reusable, but
it should not require significant work to be implemented.
    Al's is better, allowing the information to be used by any application.
    Charles's is even richer, but possibly time-consuming to reach consensus
(do we need to provide metadata on the person who wrote the style sheet,
JavaScript, original XML DTD, XSLT transformation, etc.)
    Note that one objection to Al's and Charles's solution is that embedding
email information in the document will allow it to be stolen by spammers.
    Brian
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Brian Kelly
UKOLN
University of Bath
BATH
BA2 7AY
Email: B.Kelly@ukoln.ac.uk
Phone: (+44) 1225 323943
----- Original Message -----
From: "Al Gilman" <asgilman@iamdigex.net>
To: "Brian Kelly" <b.kelly@ukoln.ac.uk>; "David Peaslee"
<peasleed@lanecc.edu>; <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
Cc: <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 5:55 PM
Subject: Re: Can the W3C HML validaor send email when the page becomes
invalid (was Re: WWW: Interoperability Crisis?)


> The function you are describing is equivalent to the Errors-to: header in
> email.
>
> A review of the latest email RFCs and the site [overview] profile for RDF
> would
> see if this is covered in that scheme.  But it seems dead easy to go ahead
and
> just put:
>
> <meta name="SMTP-equiv" value="Errors-To:&ltedress&gt">
>
> and create a backward-compatible option in that way.
>
> Al
>
> At 04:28 PM 2001-01-22 +0000, Brian Kelly wrote:
> >David Peaslee sent this message to the <www-html@w3.org> and
> ><www-talk@w3.org> lists.
> >
> >A reason not to have a text-only page is the difficulty on maintaining
> >separate resources.
> >
> >Looking at the page referred to in the message, I notice that it has an
> >XHTML Valid icon, and is linked back to the W3C's XHTML validator (and
the
> >page is still valid).
> >
> >I suspect that many pages which started off valid become corrupted when
they
> >are updated.
> >
> >Would it be worthwhile suggesting to W3C (and other organisations such as
> >CAST) that these validation services could ask for the email address of a
> >page author, and periodically check that a page is still valid, and send
> >email if it's not.
> >
> >There are similar services which will send email if a page contains
broken
> >links.
> >
> >There is a business model for providing subscriber-funded services - and
> >probably not too much software development work needed to develop a free
> >one.
> >
> >Brian
> >--------------------------------------------------------------
> >Brian Kelly
> >UKOLN
> >University of Bath
> >BATH
> >BA2 7AY
> >Email: B.Kelly@ukoln.ac.uk
> >Phone: (+44) 1225 323943
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "David Peaslee" <peasleed@lanecc.edu>
> >To: <bmilloy@interlog.com>; <WStreett@mail.monmouth.com>;
<chas@munat.com>;
> ><aswartz@swartzfam.com>
> >Cc: <sean@mysterylights.com>; <www-html@w3.org>; <www-talk@w3.org>
> >Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 4:06 PM
> >Subject: RE: WWW: Interoperability Crisis?
> >
> >
> >I author a web page that uses both HTML and a text only page using XHTML.
>
><http://www.lanecc.edu/disability/disabled.htm>http://www.lanecc.edu/disab
> ility/disabled.htm
> >Why can you not add a text only page for users who are needing to access
> >informaton from your internet page?
> >
> >David Peaslee, AT tech
> >Disability Services
> >Lane Community College
> >4000 E 30th Ave
> >Eugene, OR 97405
> >(541) 747-4501 x 2150
> >peasleed@lanecc.edu
> >
> >>>> "Charles F. Munat" <chas@munat.com> 01/21/01 12:57PM >>>
> >Wilbur Streett:
> >"If you want to help the blind do it yourself, don't force the burden
onto
> >others."
> >
> >
> >So he should go to all the owners of web sites whose pages are
inaccessible
> >to the blind and offer his services for free? Let's see, if he can fix
one
> >site a day, he'll be finished in, oh... where's my calculator. Hmmm.
Well! I
> >guess he'll never finish.
> >
> >What exactly are you recommending, Mr. Streett?
> >
> >Charles F. Munat,
> >Seattle, Washington
> >
>
>
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