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Re: Content negotiation

From: Kynn Bartlett <kynn-edapta@idyllmtn.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 16:35:01 -0700
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To: Adam Victor Reed <areed2@calstatela.edu>
Cc: w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
At 04:13 PM 4/24/2001 , Adam Victor Reed wrote:
>Content negotiation is a stable, proven technology.

And it's also insufficient.

>It would take
>less than one week of work to adapt it for accomodation of varied
>disabilities, using existing open-source software bases such as
>apache and lynx.

Sure, and you could say the same thing about CC/PP, too.  You
could easily adapt Apache and/or Lynx to work with CC/PP.

However, existing content negotiation schemes are -not- robust or
flexible enough to handle "varied disabilities."  CC/PP is.

>I did try to find out about "Two words:  CC/PP."

Did you look on the W3C web site?  Because that's where you can find
that information.

>I tried to access
>http://www.reef.com with two different browsers (lynx, and then
>Netscape 4.7 with animations, such as gif and js, turned off to
>accomodate my attention deficit.)

Why would you want to look at the Reef website for CC/PP?  Reef is
not, as yet, even a CC/PP member, and we have not announced CC/PP
support yet in any products?

I imagine if I'd _directed_ you to the Reef site, then your complaints
would make sense, but really, going to the Reef site and then blasting
it here just because that's who I work for would be like if I didn't
like something _you_ wrote and ran off and found problems with the
Cal State LA website.

>Both displayed completely blank
>pages.  It looks like http://www.reef.com is js only, without any
>content - not even a <noscript> tag.

Yes, the Reef website sucks.  No, the Reef website doesn't claim to
be using Edapta's technology yet.  Yes, we're still integrating and
the site was assembled BEFORE my company (Edapta) was bought at the
end of last year.  Yes, I'd love to have the website redone.  No, I
can't magically wave a magic wand and have it be fixed.  Yes, I'd
love to.  Yes, it's embarrassing.

Now, your point about content negotiation was what?

>I would be grateful for the
>URL of an accessible page explaining those "Two words:  CC/PP."

http://www.ccpp.org/ if you want to read something by me.  It should
be pretty damn accessible because all I did was paste text into vi
and add paragraph breaks.

Or, if you want something more official and learned, there is the
W3C website itself:


My apologies if I didn't make it clear from the start that CC/PP is a
W3C technology and not something developed by Reef.  I got that link
directly above by going to the W3C homepage; I'd thought that most
participants on a W3C technical working group would be familiar with
the names of W3C specifications.  My apologies for this oversight; I
forget sometimes that we have new people who haven't been in on the
discussions or read the archives.


Kynn Bartlett <kynn@reef.com>
Technical Developer Liaison
Reef North America
Tel +1 949-567-7006
Received on Tuesday, 24 April 2001 19:36:58 UTC

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