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RE: 12 April 2001 WCAG WG Minutes

From: Anne Pemberton <apembert@erols.com>
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 19:09:46 -0400
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To: Emmanuelle Gutiérrez y Restrepo <emmanuelle@teleline.es>, "Wendy A Chisholm" <wendy@w3.org>, "Charles McCathieNevile" <charles@w3.org>
Cc: <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>

    The latest version of the illustrations are up on

The example for 3.1 is back in the new format, and Goop has been moved to
3.7 and adjusted to eliminate the microwave.


	No canned tomatoes??? How ever do they manage to make a cheap meal???
<grin> Around here, canned tomatoes are the cheaper choice over the
tomatoes, even in season. Almost all the cheap, easy recipes I know use
some sort of pre-packaged food as a basis: Monkey biscuits, for example,
start with a can of cheap refrigerator biscuits broken into small balls....
If I go back to childhood basics, such as Speck and Bona or Schnitze and
Gnepp, there could be misunderstanding about green beans or dried apples. 

Maybe I could do simple Seasoned Beans ... but then some parts of the world
wouldn't have a leftover piece of ham or fatback for the seasoning.... <sigh!>

Open to suggestions for Cooking Directions --- before I start making
pictures or drawings of anything ... 

Maybe it should be directions to make some sort of decorative craft item
... or a piece of furniture ... but do all parts of the web world have
trimmed lumber ready to screw or glue, and how can measurements be universal?


At 09:58 PM 4/13/01 +0200, Emmanuelle Gutiérrez y Restrepo wrote:
>Hi Anne:
>The comment that I made on the microwaves is due to that there is in the
>world, and every time there will be more, people that can be connected to
>Internet somehow, but that they have not seen a microwaves in its life and
>that they cannot buy tomatoes in can, they can only buy natural tomatoes.
>That is to say, if we are speaking of making the most comprehensible
>possible the pages, let us give examples that can be easily understood in
>any place and social scale.
>-----Mensaje original-----
>De: w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org]En
>nombre de Anne Pemberton
>Enviado el: viernes, 13 de abril de 2001 20:50
>Para: Emmanuelle Gutiérrez y Restrepo; Wendy A Chisholm; Charles
>CC: w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
>Asunto: RE: 12 April 2001 WCAG WG Minutes
>Charles and Emmanuelle,
>	Thank you for your comments. I finally got the example page as I want it,
>and it is in the newest version I hung on
>The new details show a topical illustration and page (site?) controls for
>background sound, or anything else that needs to be turned off or on.
>Also shows a graphic and sound files as a section of the page ...
>Can anyone think of anything else that should be on the basic sample page?
>Goop was my mother-in-law's recipe ... it has as many variations as you
>have creative ideas. Got hungry while I was writing, so I made some Goop.
>Interesting when I read Emmanuelle's comments about the microwave since I
>don't usually use the mic in making it myself, but thought it simplified
>the directions a bit. I actually mix the tomatoes into the cheese sauce,
>heat a bit gently, then pour the whole over the macaroni. And, I do need to
>be reminded that I am doing this for an international audience - a
>microwave is pretty basic for my generation ...
>	Charles, I imagine that cookbook was fun, and would be a good model for
>what should be done to illustrate a set of directions well. Off and on I
>think about putting together a cookbook, but folks who know my cooking
>skills just laugh!
>	After I have the basic illustrations, we should think about making a
>collection of sites that demonstrate some of what we want done (It is
>highly unlikely we will find well-illustrated sites that are also
>"accessible" in all ways), and link them below the illustrations.
>Illustrating directions could be that cookbook of yours (if it's public),
>the Ikea site with the flash demo of how to put together a bookcase, etc.
>For illustrating academic stuff, I just recently re-discovered the British
>Museum site for Ancient Egypt, which is even better now than a year ago!
>	Thanks for all the help and keep it coming ...
>					Anne
>I will re-do the set of pages for 3.1 to show consistency in the layout,
>navigation controls, etc. The original conveyed the idea but was too simple
>in what it showed - little more than the navigational controls at the
>bottom, illustrations in about the same places on each page, and a glossary
>in the basic set.
>At 07:52 PM 4/13/01 +0200, Emmanuelle Gutiérrez y Restrepo wrote:
>>Only two comments about the magnificent effort that has made Anne:
>>To illustrate the "consistency in the presentation", I believe that it is
>>not enough with an example of an only page, it would be necessary to show
>>the consistency along a site. The own Anne had in another page a more
>>appropriate illustration that now don't find.
>>I believe that this it is a very important point that doesn't only reach
>>people with cognitive disabilities. For example, it is important that the
>>sites of the public administration use a language that the half citizen can
>>understand, far from the administrative jargon. In fact, today in day there
>>are companies specialized in offering, to these sites, an analysis and
>>modification of their language.
>>As for the examples to use, I believe that their election will be delicate.
>>I believe that they should be the most international possible, and maybe tw
>>examples should be included of oneself text, one dedicated to a half public
>>and another to people with important cognitive disabilities, because to put
>>only the second example type can confuse the reader making him believe that
>>the rule demands a degree of too big simplification.
>>The example of the cooking recipe, I believe that it is more appropriate in
>>the point 3.7. On the other hand, it would be ideal that it showed the
>>elaboration step to step and that is a recipe that doesn't demand something
>>so strange, for many, as a microwaves :) I Believe that the example can be
>>of a simpler and more natural recipe.
>>My excuses if the language here used it is not appropriate. English, like
>>is evident, it is not my language.
>>-----Mensaje original-----
>>De: w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org]En
>>nombre de Anne Pemberton
>>Enviado el: viernes, 13 de abril de 2001 18:03
>>Para: Wendy A Chisholm; Charles McCathieNevile
>>CC: w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
>>Asunto: Re: 12 April 2001 WCAG WG Minutes
>>OK, guys, this is as far as I am today with this. The black text outside
>>tables is whichever version of the guidelines I used, the black text in
>>tables is an illustration, and the red text in tables is my thinking at the
>>moment on how I will proceed.
>>I'm open to any and all suggestions including a new color scheme. Goldenrod
>>lets me use both black and white as text over it and still be readable (for
>>me at least)...
>>Open to comments, suggestions, and philosophical meanderings ...
>>			Anne
>>At 09:16 AM 4/13/01 -0400, Wendy A Chisholm wrote:
>>>yep, I agree, Anne.  I look forward to what you come up with.
>>>At 07:26 AM 4/13/01 , Charles McCathieNevile wrote:
>>>>Please keep drawing - we aren't in any immediate danger of having too
>>>>illustrations to compare and try to extract general principles from.
>>>>On Fri, 13 Apr 2001, Anne Pemberton wrote:
>>>>   At 07:39 PM 4/12/01 -0400, Wendy A Chisholm wrote:
>>>>   >·       WC will contact graphic designer to work on illustrating the
>>>>   >guidelines.
>>>>   Wendy,
>>>>        Should I continue developing my illustrations for Guideline 3, or
>>>>   should I consider that issue taken care of with the above action? I
>>will be
>>>>   happy to assist an graphical designer chosen, if it will help.
>>>>                                 Anne
>>>>                                                 Anne
>>>>   Anne Pemberton
>>>>   apembert@erols.com
>>>>   http://www.erols.com/stevepem
>>>>   http://www.geocities.com/apembert45
>>>>Charles McCathieNevile    http://www.w3.org/People/Charles  phone: +61
>>>>134 136
>>>>W3C Web Accessibility Initiative     http://www.w3.org/WAI    fax: +1 617
>>>>258 5999
>>>>Location: 21 Mitchell street FOOTSCRAY Vic 3011, Australia
>>>>(or W3C INRIA, Route des Lucioles, BP 93, 06902 Sophia Antipolis Cedex,
>>>wendy a chisholm
>>>world wide web consortium
>>>web accessibility initiative
>>>madison, wi usa
>>>tel: +1 608 663 6346
>>Anne Pemberton
>Anne Pemberton
Anne Pemberton

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