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Re: 28 March 2001 working draft

From: Anne Pemberton <apembert@erols.com>
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 17:27:29 -0400
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To: Charles McCathieNevile <charles@w3.org>
Cc: Wendy A Chisholm <wendy@w3.org>, <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>

	I agree.... just as the stuff that works for the totally blind isn't
always what is needed by the visually impaired, what is needed by those
with reading limitations is not the same as what is needed by a non-reader.
Both do need pictures (and multi-media), but one will need pictures in lieu
of text, while others will be able to use more and more of the text, but
can use it better when it's illustrated.



At 07:15 AM 4/2/01 -0400, Charles McCathieNevile wrote:
>Hmm. I think it is pretty clear that there are people who basically want
>stuff that is pictorial. I am not so sure that they want all the words to
>disappear, just most of them - since they don't expect to understand them.
>There are pretty clearly another group who want the words to be made
>available, and would prefer the scenario of supported reading.
>Maybe we should have both. These are fairly different scenarios, where the
>similarity is people have difficulty reading, but the differences are in the
>how, why, what they do about it, ...
>On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Anne Pemberton wrote:
>  Wendy,
>  	I am not saying that your statement isn't true, it is, but not for a
>  significant portion of the affected population and not nearly so effective
>  as providing illustrations, which with the speech can make a nifty fix, but
>  not without illustrations ....
>  	That's why it's wrong and misleading. Wrong, in the sense that it is not
>  the greatest need of non-readers using the web.  We need to look into
>  equivalents for text not just text equivalents... If we are presenting four
>  scenarios, at least one should make it clear that text is not always the
>  common denominator ...
>  					Anne
>  						Anne
>  At 10:28 AM 3/29/01 -0500, Wendy A Chisholm wrote:
>  >
>  >>Wendy, In the "Presentation and Interaction"  section of the
>  >>you listed a few scenarios of how disabled people use the web, but the
>  >>one is very wrong and misleading.
>  >> >Someone who does not read well may want to hear the information and
>  >>words highlighted as they are read.
>  >
>  >Anne,
>  >
>  >Have you ever heard of WYNN [1]?  It's a tool created by AccessAbility,
>  >Inc. to help people who have difficulties reading.  It provides a variety
>  >of cues and configurations to help people read text.  For example, for
>  >people the letters might bleed together if the letters are too close
>  >together, so with WYNN you can configure how much space appears between
>  >each letter.  It will also highlight words as it reads them outloud to
>  >
>  >CAST has a similar tool called "eReader" [2]. Here is a statement on their
>  >product web page, "CAST eReader is a software tool designed to support
>  >learners of all ages who may lack the skills needed to read materials
>  >independently. The software can take electronic text content from any
>  >source and read it using synthesized speech and visual highlighting. The
>  >program's universal design features allow it to meet a wide range of
>  >abilities and interests, supporting those who have difficulty reading. "
>  >
>  >Therefore, I don't think it is "wrong." There are a variety of reading
>  >difficulties that one can experience and there are a variety of strategies
>  >to make reading easier or possible depending on the needs of the reader.
>  >
>  >--wendy
>  >
>  >[1] http://www.4access.com/products/wyr.htm
>  >[2] http://www.cast.org/udl/index.cfm?i=197
>  >--
>  >wendy a chisholm
>  >world wide web consortium
>  >web accessibility initiative
>  >madison, wi usa
>  >tel: +1 608 663 6346
>  >/--
>  >
>  Anne Pemberton
>  apembert@erols.com
>  http://www.erols.com/stevepem
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