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RE: my action item

From: Charles McCathieNevile <charles@w3.org>
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 13:19:44 -0400 (EDT)
To: Lisa Seeman <seeman@netvision.net.il>
cc: "'Anne Pemberton'" <apembert@crosslink.net>, "WAI (E-mail)" <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009281318000.29106-100000@tux.w3.org>
It might be a valuable editing tool - we can easily see where there are gaps
in the techniques, as we move across different technologies.

(We can't tell if there are checkpoints missing, but that's another, seperate
task...)

If it is easy, keep with it. But if it takes much work, we can probably find
another way and use your brain power at a higher level...

cheers

Charles

On Thu, 28 Sep 2000, Lisa Seeman wrote:

  Of course it is not an improvement visually, that was not the point, and as
  I said in the email I am not even trying to get it done right.
  Let me explain the exercise. People were concerned that have techniques
  guideline and other material in different documents, make it hard for some
  of us orientate with in the guidelines,- what belongs with what, to know
  when have we done every thing etc.
  So it was suggested that a table may help. That way you can see that you
  have done the checkpoints with the suggested techniques, in one shot - Maybe
  helpful and maybe not.
  Now I am not going to rewrite the guidelines, (and I am assuming that there
  would be a lot of sound objections if I were to try) into sound bites. This
  table is  just a demonstration of an idea. An idea that if followed though
  would require agreement on a lot of points - what to do with the examples,
  whether to drop the "don't use ..." part etc...
  Personally I feel if we are to drop the "don't use ..." part, then the table
  becomes useless. You do not have all the information in one place.
  So Ignoring visual problems and stuff like that, having seen a table format,
  do we still think that it will aid comprehension? Or is putting so much info
  in one table, a lost course?
  That is the question.
  L
  
  -----Original Message-----
  From: Anne Pemberton [mailto:apembert@crosslink.net]
  Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 4:44 PM
  To: seeman@netvision.net.il
  Subject: Re: my action item
  
  
  Lisa,
  
  	Visually, this isn't an improvement, it's a disaster. When using tables
  like this, the text in each cell of the table should be succinct not
  rambling. You should be able to view *at least* one full row of the table
  on a "typical" screenfull. For example, in the first item in HTML prsented
  on the table, the text first says dont use ..." " ... then says, but if you
  use it ... " " ... One or the other should be prsented in the table, not
  both. It would be better to drop the "don't use ..." part and just present
  the solution. Too much information is put in each cell and the result is
  that the information is too chopped up to be usable. If the information is
  to be presented in a table, it needs to be re-written so that only the "do"
  is presented, not the why's and wherefor's.
  
  				Anne
  
  At 10:12 AM 9/28/00 +0200, you wrote:
  >I put up  a draft of the table format up at
  >http://special-needs.org/tablecheckp1.html It is a draft, just to see if we
  >think techniques are clearer in a table format.
  >Before anyone gets upset, I have not even tried edit (typos? me?) ....This
  >is just to see if we like the general format.
  >I have only done the first three checkpoints.
  >
  >Things to note:
  >The first checkpoint has (I think) the most techniques, so it makes it the
  >hardest to present in this form.
  >I left out examples, The table was just getting too big. We could link them
  >in, or just add them (as with the original techniques document).
  >
  >I do not know if this type of presentation is an improvement -
  >Your comments......
  >L
  >
  >
  Anne L. Pemberton
  http://www.pen.k12.va.us/Pav/Academy1
  http://www.erols.com/stevepem/Homeschooling
  apembert@crosslink.net
  Enabling Support Foundation
  http://www.enabling.org
  

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