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Re: Does the user know for sure whether the page is dynamic or static?

From: Jonathan Chetwynd <jay@peepo.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 10:34:21 -0000
Message-ID: <001a01bf6656$99031580$64449fd4@signbrowser>
To: "Charles McCathieNevile" <charles@w3.org>
Cc: "w3c" <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>, "Al Gilman" <asgilman@iamdigex.net>, <r.ridey@inuk.co.uk>
Do hope I am not taking up too much bandwidth on this topic.

I should have added that I believe the max out at 500 user sessions per week
related to the mass emailing of friends and relations advertising our
holiday photos online www.peepo.com/abc/abc.html and click on p for Phoebe.
Not all at once or I'll be cut orf.

What I mailed to say was, and I expect its old news if topical.
How about CBS recent news coverage of the millenium in Times Square where
they digitally remastered the images live and changed NBC'c vast video wall
to read CBS. Apparently the technology is used to include product placements
in shows where they were not.
On the other side the link that should point to this story
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/Digital/
actually points to last weeks internet stories, I have emailed the editor,
so with luck it now does point to  the cbs story

Dynamic tampering with reality in action.

jay@peepo.com

Jonathan Chetwynd
Special needs teacher / web accessibility consultant
education and outreach working group member, web accessibility initiative,
W3C
----- Original Message -----
From: Charles McCathieNevile <charles@w3.org>
To: Jonathan Chetwynd <jay@peepo.com>
Cc: <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>; Al Gilman <asgilman@iamdigex.net>
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2000 7:12 AM
Subject: Re: Does the user know for sure whether the page is dynamic or
static?


> So long as the user is choosing the presentation to  be applied o the
> underlying information, and have access to that underlying information,
then
> tthey can be sure they are all getting the same thing. Jonathan's point,
that
> presentation can carry semantics is important - the auhor neeeds to sort
this
> one out forr each case.
>
> It is when the underlying information given to users is different that the
> problem arises.
>
> Charles McCN
>
> On Sun, 23 Jan 2000, Jonathan Chetwynd wrote:
>
>   Al wrote:
>
>   We need a way for people to be able to be sure that
>   they are accessing the same information, even when it is presented
>   differently.
>
>   This just cannot make sense, the presentation DOES affect the meaning.
>   (bold is used as illustration not intention).
>
>   -----
>
>   My concern as usual is that members are allowing themselves to get too
far
>   away from the common person. And that person's ability to use the tools.
>
>   It is all very well Al not wishing  a "total disconnect between our
>   set of rules and the Web run by money."
>   Who is the code being written for the end users or the middle men?
>   If accessibility is just a sop to salve the conscience of the money men
>   count me out.
>
>
>
>
>   ------
>
>
>
> --
> Charles McCathieNevile    mailto:charles@w3.org    phone: +61 (0) 409 134
136
> W3C Web Accessibility Initiative
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>
>
Received on Monday, 24 January 2000 05:58:32 GMT

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