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Re: disparity in quicktips and guidelines?

From: Robert Neff <robneff@home.com>
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 06:54:47 -0700
Message-ID: <001601becadb$c64df940$64520518@alex1.va.home.com>
To: <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>, "Wendy A Chisholm" <chisholm@trace.wisc.edu>, "Charles McCathieNevile" <charles@w3.org>
as there are questions surfacing on this issues, could we clarify the
guidelines? and state examples like is done for checkpoint 1.1?


----- Original Message -----
From: Wendy A Chisholm <chisholm@trace.wisc.edu>
To: <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
Sent: Friday, July 09, 1999 3:46 PM
Subject: Re: disparity in quicktips and guidelines?


> although the alternative text for client-side image maps links is not
shown
> in IE and Netscape - they are available if you tab to them.  Thus, as well
> as being available in Lynx, HPR, etc., we decided it was not a problem.
As
> Jim states, however, it is an issue for server-side image maps.
>
> Charles - why do you feel the issue needs to be reviewed in regards to
> non-readers?  It seems to me that a non-reader would be using IE or NS
with
> images loaded.  If they are using a screen reader, when they encounter a
> client-side image map the alt-text for each region will be read to them as
> they tab (we have tested this and it works).
>
> Am I wrong to assume that a non-reader would most likely rather view the
> image map graphic than the alt-text or a redundant text link for each
> active region?
>
> One bit of confusion is that  in IE the alt-text of the image map image is
> displayed as the tooltip.
>
> --wendy
>
> At 12:56 PM 7/9/99 , you wrote:
> >
> >
> >RN: Hmmm, why are image maps Priority 3?  When I turn graphics off, all i
see
> >is the main alt tag for the graphic.  Since text links are required, I
> would
> >have thought a develpoer must require text links for image maps and
> therefore
> >would be Priority 1.
> >
> >JT: Alt text for client side maps (areas) is priority 1. Alternative text
> links
> >is priority 3 because those areas are generally accessible today. Look at
> >www.ibm.com/sns which has a map across the top. All alt text is displayed
> in IE
> >with images off, and spoken with screen readers and text browsers. Even
> without
> >alt text, Lynx, HPR, and others will at least expose the URL's.  Your
comment
> >seems to be talking about server-side maps - where you would get one alt
> text.
> >Not using these or providing alterntive text links is priority 1.
> >
> >Jim Thatcher
> >IBM Special Needs Systems
> >www.ibm.com/sns
> >thatch@us.ibm.com
> >(512)838-0432
> >
> >
> >
> >Charles McCathieNevile <charles@w3.org> on 07/09/99 11:48:45 AM
> >
> >To:   Judy Brewer <jbrewer@w3.org>
> >cc:   WAI GL <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>, Robert Neff <robneff@home.com> (bcc:
James
> >      Thatcher/Austin/IBM)
> >Subject:  Re: disparity in quicktips and guidelines?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >thread transferred from Education and Outreach Group...
> >
> >In general it was felt that if a problem was easily handled by Lynx,
which is
> >freely available for every platform I know of, then it could be regarded
as
> >an improvement rather than an important barrier.
> >
> >In light of the disucssion about non-readers in particular, I suspect
that
> >decision should be reviewed.
> >
> >Charles McCN
> >
> >On Fri, 9 Jul 1999, Judy Brewer wrote:
> >
> >  Robert,
> >
> >
> >  You may want to ask this question in the Web Content Guidelines Working
> >  Group. I recall they had very specific reasons for being able to
> >  downgrade the priority of 1.5, but can't articulate that well right
now.
> >
> >
> >  I've put it on the list of things to look over in revising the
> >  guidelines-- they're getting the list too.
> >
> >
> >  Judy
> >
> >
> >  At 12:01 AM 7/9/99 -0700, Robert Neff wrote:
> >
> >  >>>>
> >
> >  <excerpt>Do i see a disparity between the Web Content Accessibility
> >  Guidelines (WCAG) and Quicktips?
> >
> >
> >
> >  WCAG 1.5 states, "Until user agents render text equivalents for
> >  client-side image map links, provide redundant text links for each
active
> >  region of a client-side image map. [Priority 3] "
> >
> >
> >
> >  Hmmm, why are image maps Priority 3?  When I turn graphics off, all i
see
> >  is the main alt tag for the graphic.  Since text links are required, I
> >  would have thought a develpoer must require text links for image maps
and
> >  therefore would be Priority 1.
> >
> >
> >
> >  Quicktips state "Image maps. Use client-side MAP and text for
hotspots."
> >  Shouldnt we add text redundant links?  I was using this for a while and
> >  then re-realized that text links are needed - turn off graphics!
> >
> >
> >
> >  comments?
> >
> >
> >
> >  once we are finished reviwing this comment, can pass over to the GL.
> >
> >
> >  </excerpt><<<<<<<<
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  ----------
> >
> >  Judy Brewer    jbrewer@w3.org    +1.617.258.9741
http://www.w3.org/WAI
>
> >
> >  Director, Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) International Program
Office
> >
> >  World Wide Web Consortium (W3C)
> >
> >  MIT/LCS Room NE43-355, 545 Technology Square, Cambridge, MA,  02139,
USA
> >
> >
> >--Charles McCathieNevile            mailto:charles@w3.org
> >phone: +1 617 258 0992   http://www.w3.org/People/Charles
> >W3C Web Accessibility Initiative    http://www.w3.org/WAI
> >MIT/LCS  -  545 Technology sq., Cambridge MA, 02139,  USA
> >
>
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