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Re: QUESTIONS on resolutions stated in Minutes from 23 March teleconference.

From: Al Gilman <asgilman@iamdigex.net>
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 14:28:03 -0500
Message-Id: <199903241924.OAA359868@relay.interim.iamworld.net>
To: Jon Gunderson <jongund@staff.uiuc.edu>, Ian Jacobs <ij@w3.org>, w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
Cc: w3c-wai-cg@w3.org
At 09:18 AM 3/24/99 -0600, Jon Gunderson wrote:
>>2) Issue 42.  Proposed to remove class="nav" from checkpoint example 
>>
>>  JW: Proper use of the class attribute.
>>  GV: The "hack" part is creating a pseudo-standard for UAs.
>>      That's not in a W3C standard.
>>  
>JRG: Will there be any recommendation that UA can use to indicate that a
>link is used for site navigation?

[If I understand the way this came out]

a) The proposed recommendation will not define any HTML extensions such as
predefined class="nav."

b) The proposed recommendation does not explicitly or implicitly say
anything about whether such a technique is appropriate or inappropriate.

c) This class of technique is sufficiently controversial so that the chairs
did not want to include it in something bearing the PR declaration of
working group decision.

d) There is motivation under various of the guidelines that _are_ in the
Proposed Recommendation for techniques which would employ such predefined
names.

e) The techniques are not viewed as frozen with the checkpoints.  It is
appropriate for the techniques to evolve and for novel techniques to be
initiated by the User Agent Working Group, particularly if it is believed
that User Agents and Authoring Tools can and will implement them.
Coordination with the authoring tools community is a key ingredient in a
successful proposal in this area.

If I recall correctly, this is in essence the answer on all three points
you questioned.

Al

>
>7) Issue 47. 
>>
>>   How is "summary" supposed to be used to indicate a table is for
>>layout?
>>
>>  GV: Does this mean that there's a code word as value?

>>  JW: If you do it, do it with class, not summary!
>>  CM: Content developers should say what's in the table
>>      in "summary"
>>  AG: This is a level of details in techniques we should
>>      push. 
>> 
>>  JW: We recommend use of tables for layout anyway. Reluctant
>>      to endorse anything
>>
>>  AG: "title" is a better place than "summary" for this.
>> 
>>  RESOLVED: Delete 
>>   'Use the "summary" attribute to explain that the table is a layout
>>    table.'
>>  
>JRG: Will there be any recommended markup to indicate the function of a
table?

As above.  The Web Content guidelines do not predefine any such code.  It
is still possible for the User Agent guidelines to introduce such a technique.

>
>
>
>>11) Issue 50. 
>>    Making scripts accessible.
>>    (See 8.2)
>> 
>>  a) Proposed checkpoint
>>       Technique: Use server-side scripts with forms. 
>>       Technique: use NOSCRIPT.
>>                     
>>  RESOLVED: Replace 8.2 with:
>>            Ensure that a page is usable when 
>>            scripts are turned off or not supported.
>>            If this is not possible,
>>            provide equivalent mechanisms
>>            on an alternative page. P1.
>>      (For example, in HTML use server-side script or NOSCRIPT.)
>> 
>>  b) Keyboard operability. P2.
>>     
>>   AG: This is different from 10.1. This is about scripts
>>       in "on*" events. They don't have interfaces.
>>       Is this a GL issue or a UA issue?
>>
>>   GV: Not for UA if "onmouseover" specified.
>>
>>   AG: UA WG says UA needs to allow activation of
>>       events through other means.
>>
>>   RESOLVED: New checkpoint in guideline 8:
>>             For scripts and applets,
>>             until user agents provide device-independent
>>             means to activate event handlers, 
>>             ensure that those event handlers are keyboard
>>             operable. P2
>> 
>>  /* Try to get 8.2 and this one together */
>>
>JRG: Will there be any recommendation to add markup to indicate how an
>event is being used?
>
>For example is if an event is used to just change the color of an element
>or is adding some visual effect that really is not critical to user for
>accessing the content of the page.
>
>Jon
>
>
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