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Re: Tables - my thoughts

From: Jon Gunderson <jongund@staff.uiuc.edu>
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 09:11:36 -0500
Message-Id: <199807231412.JAA23132@staff1.cso.uiuc.edu>
To: Charles McCathieNevile <charlesn@sunrise.srl.rmit.edu.au>, WAI GL <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
I think tables for page layout are going to be with us for a long time.
One of the main reasons is backward compatibility with non-CSS browsers.
Also almost every book published on HTML design talks about using tables
for layout.  It would be ideal to get rid of tables for spatial layout, but
I think it is a difficult , if not impossible task given the momentum for
the use of tables.

I would like to see some type of markup of tables that can be used by User
Agents for rendering table information in a form that is compatible with
needs of persons with disabilities.  So if a table is being used to provide
column formating, if had the appropriate markup to indicate that is what it
is doing the user agent could create a non-column rendering of the table.
If the table was data and information is available about the table
relationships a linear rendering of the table and additional UA controls
could be used for navigating the information in the table.


At 10:36 AM 7/23/98 +1000, Charles McCathieNevile wrote:
>Labelling tables for their purpose:
>Tables for presentation of tabular information need no label.
>Tables for columnar layout need to be excised from the web, until such 
>time as screen readers which cannot understand them are no longer used.
>just my 2c
Jon Gunderson, Ph.D., ATP
Coordinator of Assistive Communication and Information Technology
Division of Rehabilitation - Education Services
University of Illinois at Urbana/Champaign
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Champaign, IL 61820

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