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Fwd: Re: text equivalents for multimedia

From: Wendy A Chisholm <wendy@w3.org>
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 14:49:50 -0500
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To: w3c-wai-er-ig@w3.org
I took an action item at the 14 February telecon to ask WCAG if text 
equivalents for audio needed to be on a separate page or could they be 
included in the current page.

we determined that the current page is fine.

here is the exchange including the proposed wording to add to the WCAG 
Techniques document.  note that there were a couple e-mails after this but 
it was just Geoff and Charles agreeing this was o.k.  I will give it a 
couple more days on the list before I incorporate the changes to ERT as 
well as the WCAG techniques document, in case anyone disagrees on WCAG.

--wendy



>If people agree that this is an o.k. thing to do, then we would include it 
>in the techniques document.  The current phrase that I pointed out would 
>probably be reworded to something like:
><blockquote>
>Equivalents for sounds can be provided on the same page as the sound or in 
>a separate file.  If in a separate file, provide a short text equivalent 
>(like an "alt-text") in the text of the link to the text transcript or 
>description of the sound file. The link to the transcript should appear in 
>a highly visible location such as at the top of the page. However, if a 
>script is automatically loading a sound, it should also be able to 
>automatically load a visual indication that the sound is currently being 
>played and provide a description or transcript of the sound.
>  </blockquote>
>
>thoughts?
>--wendy
>
>At 01:53 PM 2/23/00 , geoff freed wrote:
>>i don't see anything wrong with providing short descriptions on the same 
>>page.  it might actually avoid user confusion and extra work for the 
>>author.  in fact, it might even be a good idea to include this option in 
>>the techniques document.
>>
>>geoff/ncam
>>
>>
>>
>>On Wednesday, February 23, 2000, Wendy A Chisholm <wendy@w3.org> wrote:
>> >We were wondering about text not included in the body of an OBJECT element
>> >but just on the page.
>> >--w
>> >
>> >At 01:16 PM 2/23/00 , Charles McCathieNevile wrote:
>> >>Why not give an actual example:
>> >>
>> >><object data="some_film" type="video/x-my-private-format">
>> >><h2><a href="some_film" title="link to download the example movie">Example
>> >>2.7 is a movie:</a></h2>
>> >><p>In scene one, Charles and John are talking on the balcony.</p>
>> >><object data="scene_one_pic" type="image/x-my-other-forat">
>> >></object>
>> >><p>John says <q>well chuckles, how goes it?</q></p>
>> >><p>Charles shakes his head slowly.</p>
>> >></object>
>> >>
>> >>Which makes it clear that the transcript can be included directly, if
>> >>desired.
>> >>
>> >>(Please edit the example to taste. It would be nice to give an XHTML 
>> example
>> >>which used namespaces to add a bit of SMIL in places, but I guess that's
>> >>jumping the gun for the moment)
>> >>
>> >>Charles
>> >>
>> >>On Wed, 23 Feb 2000, Wendy A Chisholm wrote:
>> >>
>> >>   hello,
>> >>
>> >>   In the general techniques document in the section on audio and video it
>> >> says:
>> >>   <blockquote>
>> >>   Equivalents for sounds can be provided in the form of a text phrase 
>> on the
>> >>   page that links to a text transcript or description of the sound 
>> file. The
>> >>   link to the transcript should appear in a highly visible location 
>> such as
>> >>   at the top of the page. However, if a script is automatically loading a
>> >>   sound, it should also be able to automatically load a visual indication
>> >>   that the sound is currently being played and provide a description or
>> >>   transcript of the sound.
>> >>   </blockquote>
>> >>
>> >>   This implies that the text equivalent of a multimedia clip can *only*
>> >>   appear on a separate page.  What if someone provides in on the same
>> >>   page?  This question has come up in ER as we are trying to 
>> determine what
>> >>   to ask the author if we find multimedia on a page.
>> >>
>> >>   I thought we had discussed this already on this list, but I did not see
>> >> any
>> >>   mention of it in the archives nor in minutes.  Either I missed it 
>> or I'm
>> >>   thinking of an ER thread.
>> >>
>> >>   --wendy
>> >>   --
>> >>   wendy a chisholm
>> >>   world wide web consortium
>> >>   web accessibility initiative
>> >>   madison, wi usa
>> >>   tel: +1 608 663 6346
>> >>   /--
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>--
>> >>Charles McCathieNevile    mailto:charles@w3.org    phone: +61 (0) 409 
>> 134 136
>> >>W3C Web Accessibility 
>> Initiative                      http://www.w3.org/WAI
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>> >>Postal: GPO Box 2476V, Melbourne 3001,  Australia
>> >
>> >--
>> >wendy a chisholm
>> >world wide web consortium
>> >web accessibility initiative
>> >madison, wi usa
>> >tel: +1 608 663 6346
>> >/--
>> >
>> >
>
>--
>wendy a chisholm
>world wide web consortium
>web accessibility initiative
>madison, wi usa
>tel: +1 608 663 6346
>/--

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wendy a chisholm
world wide web consortium
web accessibility initiative
madison, wi usa
tel: +1 608 663 6346
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